Hi Lars Siebold, you wrote:

>beware however that nama specifically excludes vi~n~nana.

So it is often explained since NamaRupa
(Name&form) & vi~n~nana (Consciousness)
arises Mutually Dependent in (Co)dependent-arising.

However, beware, that this codependence consequentially means that:

1: NamaRupa (Name&form) is an undivisible continuum.
One cannot isolate 'naming' nor 'forming' for itself.

" It is as if two sheaves of reeds were to stand leaning against
one another. If one were to pull away one of those sheaves of
reeds, the other would fall; if one were to pull away the other,
the first one would fall."

Samyutta Nikaya XII.67, Nalakalapiyo Sutta, Sheaves of Reeds


2: NamaRupa (Name&form) is an exhaustive classification of ALL,
whether internal or external. (except Nibbana).
Name-&-form therefore neccessarily also includes consciousness
(vi~n~nana)!

Name&form includes the same ALL phenomena
as the 5 clusters-of-clinging (khandha),
as the six senses (salayatana)
as the 12 sources (ayatana)
as the 18 elements (dhatu).

The same all including object pointed to, is just formulated at
different levels of differentiation, since the individuals,
who here is targetted, is of different abilities, preferences
& tendencies.

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose
& smells, tongue & tastes, body & touches, mind & mental objects.
This, monks, is termed the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating
this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly
might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain,
and furthermore, would be put to grief.
Why? Because it lies beyond any range."
S XXXV.23


3: What is nama = mentality ?
"Feeling, perception, volition, Contact and attention --
these are called mentality."
MN 9. Sammaditthi Sutta, The Discourse on Right View.

What is phassa = contact ?
"Dependent on the eye & forms there arises consciousness at the
eye. The meeting of the three is contact."
Majjhima Nikaya 148, Chachakka Sutta, The Six Sextets.



In Conclusion:

So since consciousness (vinnana) is included in contact (phassa) &
contact is included in mentality (nama), consciousness is thereby
also inherently included in mentality (nama) as space is in all
forms (rupa).


IMHO currently.

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