Dear Jim,I am not insulting that you poor because I am very poor in fact.Warder hasn't read mahanirutti(nirutipitaka in leaves only)by kaccayana himself.Also culanirutti by yamaka if not not the other two vyakarana -bodhisatta.....What I see the 2 vol you need are Nyasa by vimalabuddhi.and culanirutti by sanghnandi.I cannot give you the bookshop to photostat the old copy from them because they always send the wrong book from yangon.I asked for kaccayanavutti but they sent kaccayana,moggalananvadi(susaddasankhepa)but they sent moggalana only.If you can wait ,srilanka will reprint this two books soon,600 pages in one vol.The best is travel to burma and pay them to photocopy the books.
Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...> wrote:Dear Teng Kee,

You wrote:
<< I think it is wrong to say that pali grammar books are not complete
but rather Jim do not have enough money to buy them from burma(I have
no meney to donate to him). >>

It's not fair to say that I do not have enough money to buy books from
Burma. Far from it, I do have the money and the interest in buying
such books from there and elsewhere. I also happen to own several of
these books that were sent to me from Yangon by a learned monk. What I
meant by "incomplete" was that one usually has to consult other books
including Sanskrit ones in order to better understand a work and also
I have felt on occasion that the Saddaniti could do with some extra
rules like some of the ones I see in Moggallaana and Panini. It
certainly was not said out of disrespect for the Pali grammarians
whose works I deeply admire and can learn a lot from.

<< There are so many of them haven't read by Jim be it gatha-like in
karika,saddathabhedacintani or essay-like in nyasa.Many nisaya by
burmese sayadaw are very profound tran.I have to ask them for
understading them like rupasiddhi bhada tika by jhanabhivuntha,
etc.Poeple like bodhi and norman also didn't study much pali grammar
texts as you can see from their tran compare to burmese tran which
even included notes from grammar texts.It is wrong for warder to say
saddaniti is the finest and standard authority.Many burmese and
sinhala grammar books reject aggavamsa theory. >>

It's true to say that I have not read or studied many of them. I'm
interested in all Pali grammar texts and I wouldn't mind spending a
lot more time studying them. There are quite a few of these kinds of
texts on the CSCD disk and from SLTP -- enough to keep one busy for a
long time. I agree with Warder that the Saddaniti is the most
comprehensive work on the Pali language, although I'm not sure if it
is the finest and most authoritative since I'm not too familiar with
other comparable works. Is there one even more
comprehensive and authoritative that I don't know about? There seems
to be very few grammar texts printed in the Roman script. I think a
PTS edn. of the Kaccaayanavyaakara.na is in the works. Smith's
scholarly edition of the Saddaniiti is, without a doubt, exceptional
with plenty of footnotes, tables, and indices to help one make full
use of it and become aware of other grammar texts for further study.
In Kahrs' article on the Saddaniti he investigates the question of
just how good a grammar it is, but the comparing is done mostly with
Sanskrit grammar texts. He finds that it does have its weaknesses.

Best wishes,

Jim




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