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Dear Group,
I add some more about nama and how sometimes it includes vinanna and
sometimes not.
In the Paramattha-manjusa (744) -see note 1 of Visudhhi. XV111
It notes that in the Paticcasamuppada nama does not include vinanna.

However, it also explains that in the section on Ditthi-visuddhi-
niddesa (purification of view), which says (XV111 2)
"tattha naamaruupanam yathavadassanam ditthivisuddhi naama"
(purification of view is the correct seeing of mentality and
materiality)
"That mentality (naama) should be taken here as the FOUR aggregates
beginning with vedana and NOT omitting consciousness."PM744
RobertK

> >
> > > In the Paticcasamuppada vinnana is given one nidana and nama

only

> > > applies to the other mental factors.
> > > However at other times nama includes vinnana; . See for

example

> > > Visuddh. XIV 11: "in the third dyad when a man wants to begin
> > > insight, his understanding of the defining of the FOUR

immaterial

> > > aggregates [i.e. vinnana, sankhara, vedana and sanna] is
> > > understanding as defining of mentality (nama).....So it is of 2
> > kinds
> > > as the defining of mentality(nama) and materiality (rupa).
> > _____

here is the standard transliteration:Tatiyaduke yaa

> vipassana.m aarabhitukaamassa catunna.m aruupakkhandhaana.m
> vavatthaapane pa~n~naa, aya.m naamavavatthaapanapa~n~naa. Yaa
> ruupakkhandhassa vavatthaapane pa~n~naa, aya.m
> ruupavavatthaapanapa~n~naati eva.m naamaruupavavatthaapanavasena
> duvidhaa.

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