Dear Nina,
Dear Yong Peng,

> Warder Ch 8: gives many meanings of instrumental. Talking or
> discussing with, no need of saddhi.m.

> > Dr. de Silva uses the word 'saha' or 'saddhi.m'
> > only when the word expresses the meaning of accompaniment, as we
> > have seen in the above two sentences. For the rest of the
> > sentences, 'saha' or 'saddhi.m' is missing (as in No. 3 and 5). Is
> > this a convention used in the Pali texts? Kindly enlighten me.

By a happy coincidence, the saddhi.m word is also in the 4th sentence
of Ud I.4, though this may not shed much light on your question!

Derek.