Dear Steve,

Thanks for pointing out the passages. That fuzziness that is not-mine is now
more crystal-like.

Sukhi.

P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Bodhi2500@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 20 February, 2003 6:14 AM
Subject: [Pali] Re: basic: bhagavaa, sammaasambuddho


Hi

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Piya Tan" <libris@...> wrote:
> Dear Frank,
>
> > Further comments and thoughts:
> > 1) isn't samma sambuddha (thoroughly completely
> > awakened being) rendundant, like atm machine
> > (automated teller machine machine)? Isn't sambuddha
> > sufficient? Does anyone else find it troubling that
> > "completely" isn't complete enough, and one needs to
> > qualify that with "thoroughly"?
>
> I think "sam" in "sambuddha" can be rendered as a reflexive "sa.m"
meaning
> "self", that is "self-enlightened". I leave the specialists to back
me up,
> if I have a case.
>
> Sukhi.
>
> P.


The commentaries seem to agree with your above comment
Piya.

"He is fully enlightened (Sammaasambuddha) because he has
discovered(buddha) all things rightly(sammaa) and by himself
(saama.m) -Vissudhimagga, Trans byBhikkhu Nanamoli

He is the "Perfectly Self-Enlightened One" (Sammaasambuddho) on
account of its being to all dhammas that he has perfectly(sammaa) and
by himself(saama.m) became enlightened(buddhattaa)-Udana Atthakatha,
Trans by P. Masefield.

Take care
Steve



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