Re: Re[2]: [Pali] Chinese canon

Dobryj den', Dmitri - Aayasmaa

There are a few and if I get a spare moment I will see what I can turn up
and let you know what I find - they are predominantly commentarial
literature I think. The trouble is that there is a stack of stuff tucked
away in various recensions which still awaits proper identification. I seem
to recall that John Richards suggested that the first part of one of the
Chinese translations of the Dhammapada (Fa Chu Ching?) showed evidence that
it was translated from Pali rather than Sanskrit or Gandhari versions. I
think it is clear that the bulk of the canonical texts were translated from
languages other than Pali or at the very least not from the Pali versions we
now have - certainly all of the vinayas extant in Chinese can safely be
assumed to have been translated from Sanskrit. In many case, of course, we
have since lost the Sanskrit originals - and the distinction between
"hinayana" and "mahayana" gets quite cloudy in the context of Chinese
monastic rules(some of which appear to have developed in situ - we also have
to be careful of Sanskrit versions which may have been back translations
from Chinese or Tibetan - or, like the Heart Sutra, Chinese originals in the
first place).

Cheers

Robert Didham

>From: "�� (Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko)"
><koleso@...>
>Reply-To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
>To: Robert Didham <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re[2]: [Pali] Chinese canon
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:20:50 +0200
>
>Zdravstvujte, Robert,
>(or in Pali equivalent:)
>Aayasmaa Robert,
>
>To Robert Didham:
>Thank you for a good example of 'Samantapasadika'. Do you know the
>names of other Pali works translated into Chinese?
>
>To Robert Kirkpatrick:
>Indeed Vimuttimagga contains Mahayana-like allusions to Bodhisattvas
>and Mahasattvas. That may be the reason why it didn't survive in Pali
>version. Yet in some respects it is closer to suttas than
>Visuddhimagga, for example in the list of kasinas, etc.
>
>The Pali canon obviously underwent the process of evolution during
>which frequently occuring passages were transformed into rote
>formulas. The early texts, as shown by the example of Vimuttimagga,
>may contain similar passages in descriptive 'live' language. That's
>why I am looking for them.
>
>Kind regards,
> Dimitry
>
>RD> There are some other Pali works translated into Chinese - the
>RD> early translators seem to have translated everything they could
>RD> lay their hands on, fortunately for us. An example is the Chinese
>RD> translation of a version of the Samantapasadika (Shan Tien Pi Po
>RD> Sha - original attributed to Buddhaghosa)which has been translated
>RD> from Chinese into English by Bapat and Hirakawa
>
>RD> Robert Didham
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>From: "�� (Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko)"
> >><koleso@...>
> >>Reply-To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [Pali] Chinese canon
> >>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:58:21 +0200
> >>
> >>Dear Pali friends,
> >>
> >>The 'Vimuttimagga' which survived in Chinese and Japanese canon
> >>provides profound insights in the Buddha's teaching as it existed in
> >>first century c.e.
> >>
> >>Can you please tell whether there are any similar early translated
> >>works in Chinese, Japanese and Tibetan Buddhist canon?
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >> Dimitry
> >>
> >>
>
>
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