Yong Peng & friends,

Good to see the translation getting along very well. A couple of suggestions:

(1) Although the locational sequence in the sutta opening is largest location
(saavathiya.m), then the park (jetavane), and then the monastery (anaathapi.n.dikassa
aaraame), I think it sounds easier on the English-speaking ear (and mind) to have the
locational sequence as:
"in Anathapindika's monastery in Prince Jeta's Park near Savatthi" [the "Prince" is
optional], which I thinks is in living English.

(2) Sugata as "Welcome" or "The Welcome One" sounds good.

(3) "Apperception" for sa~n~naa is too technical since it is a specialized
psychological term. I think Rhys Davids or an earlier translator had used this term
unsuccessfully. I'll stick to "perception". It is difficult to have an exact word for
such technical Pali terms. Anyway, although the Pali texts are meant to be read
alone, there is always the need for a communication with a living practitioner
(preferably a renunciate) to bring spiritual life into these dead words.

Sukhi.

P.



Ong Yong Peng wrote:

> Dear Ven. Kumara, Dimitry, Piya, Michael and friends,
>
> hence after some compilation, the sutta shall be:
>
> The Greater Instruction to Rahula
>
> Thus have I heard. At one time the Blessed One stayed in the garden
> of Anathapindika, in Jeta's forest, near Savatthi. Then, when it was
> morning, the Blessed One, having dressed and taken his robe and bowl,
> entered Saavatthi for alms. Venerable Raahula too, when it was
> morning, having dressed and taken his robe and bowl, followed the
> Blessed One closely from behind. And then the Blessed one, looking
> back towards Rahula, addressed him:
>
> "Rahula, whatever form, - past, future or present, internal or
> external, gross or subtle, base or exalted, whether it is far or
> near, - all form should be seen as it really is with right wisdom in
> such a way: "This is not mine, I am not this, this is not me".
>
> "Form only, Blessed One? Form only, Sugata [the Well-gone, see 1]?"
>
> "Also feeling, apperception, determination and consciousness, Rahula,
> as well as form."
>
> [1] Sugataa - Frequent epithet of the Buddha.
>
> Common renderings:
>
> I: emphasis on the '-gata'
> the Well-gone.
> the Well-farer (Rhys Davids, Woodward, Horner, Walshe, Norman. Most
> common PTS rendering).
>
> II: emphasis on the 'su-'
> the Sublime One (~Naa.namoli)
> the Fortunate One (Bodhi)
> the Blissful One
>
> Metta
> Yong Peng
>
> --- Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko wrote:
> > "Ruupampi, Raahula, vedanaapi, Raahula, sa~n~naapi, Raahula,
> sa'nkhaaraapi, Raahula, vi~n~naa.nampi, Raahulaa"ti.
> >
> > Hence:
> > "Also feeling, apperception, determination and consciousness,
> Rahula, as well as form."
>
>
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