The Soul Debate (was Re: Hello, i'm new to this group and would lik

Dear Samatha Savaka,

I was not keen to participate in this thread as experience tells me that it can be rather unnecessarily wearisome.

I think for most people, if they're willing to have a provisional faith of anatta, or at least be open minded enough to think that they *might* be mistaken in their soul believe, or just plain open minded, they could take up a vipassana course and see it for themselves. No scriptures, no speculations, just knowing.

I'm not guaranteeing path and fruition knowledge, but I a few insights should be good enough to bring great changes to one's perspective of the Truth. If you're willing to undertake such a challenge, I hope it would not be too difficult for you too find a good teacher and that you would be able to practice well. Good kamma to you!

Ven K

At 12:09 AM 13-06-02, samathasavaka wrote:

>--- In Pali@..., Lee Dillion <leedillion@...> wrote:
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>> So you can continue to claim all over the internet that the soul is
>> beyond the aggregates, but, as noted by the Buddha, such a
>claim "would
>> only be speech (vag-vastu-matram), and if asked one would be unable
>to
>> answer, it would increase one's stupidity (sammoham apadyeta)."
>The
>> commentary to this sutta reads "Tassa vacavatthur ev assa. Spk: It
>would
>> be just mere utterance. But if one passes over the twelve sense
>bases,
>> one cannot point out any real phenomenon."
>>
>> ----
>> Lee Dillion
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>Thanks for your reply Lee, beyond the 'all' described in your quotes,
>indeed, we will never find any real phenomena. The soul is not a
>phenomena.
>When you see the Buddha, kill the Buddha. This means, that if you
>think you have found a Soul or a Buddha or whatever, you have not
>found the real "thing", why? because the real "thing" can't be found,
>for this would imply that it has spacial dimensions, etc...
>Thus, my questions regarding Soul still remain unanswered.
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>Good Day :)
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