Re: Thanissaro version different : Re: [nsbb] Fare lonely as rhinoc

Hi Frank

Haven't really made up my mind. I prefer the idea of the isolation of the
tip of the single horn as the rhino makes its way through the tall grass
where rhinos seem to like to hang out, but then I can see the idea of the
solitariness of the rhino as an attractive alternative interpretation.
Equally I can't make up my mind whether the texts themselves (rather than
what we would like them to say - and in so far as the various versions may
or may not be consistent) actually refer to just the horn or the whole
animal. What do you think?

Robert

>From: frank kuan <fcckuan@...>
>Reply-To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
>To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Pali] Thanissaro version different : Re: [nsbb] Fare lonely
>as rhinoceros
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Thanks for the tip Robert.
>Do you have a personal opinion on what you think it
>is? Horn or the Rhino?
>
>-fk
>
>--- Robert Didham <robertdidham@...> wrote:
> > There is actually a huge literature on this - a good
> > starting point is
> > Richard Solomon's book:
> >
> > Salomon, Richard, 2000 A G�ndh�r� Version of the
> > Rhinoceros S�tra.
> > Seattle, Washington University Press
> >
> > A bit like the problem of exactly what a ham.sa is -
> > there are as many
> > arguments one way as the other.
> >
> > Robert Didham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: frank kuan <fcckuan@...>
> > >Reply-To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nsbb@yahoogroups.com, pali@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Pali] Thanissaro version different : Re:
> > [nsbb] Fare lonely as
> > >rhinoceros
> > >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Ok, found out who translated that passage:
> > >
> > >Here's a question for you guys. The thanissaro
> > version
> > >is different, and it doesn't make sense (with the
> > >indian rhino having one horn compared to other
> > >rhinos). I did a little bit of research into
> > rhinos,
> > >and they do indeed live a solitary lifestyle, only
> > the
> > >mother and child having a bond. What's the full
> > story
> > >behind the horn thing?
> > >
> > >I have excerpts from both versions for you to
> > compare.
> > >
> > >-fk
> > >
> > >================================
> > >(from access to insight)
> > >Translator's note: The Indian rhinoceros, unlike
> > the
> > >African, has only one horn. Hence the recurrent
> > image
> > >here. As noted under I.1, there is evidence
> > suggesting
> > >that the verses here were originally separate
> > poems,
> > >composed on separate occasions, and that they have
> > >been gathered together because of their common
> > >refrain.]
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Renouncing violence
> > >for all living beings,
> > >harming not even a one,
> > >you would not wish for offspring,
> > > so how a companion?
> > >Wander alone, a rhinoceros horn.
> > >
> > >=====================================
> > >Selected verses of the Rhinoceros Sutta from "Woven
> > >Cadences" (Sutta Nipata), translated by E. M. Hare,
> > >and published in Sacred Books of the Buddhists
> > Series
> > >by the Pali Text Society. Other verses are used in
> > >this booklet.
> > >
> > >
> > >Verses for Thudong-faring
> > >From the Sutta-Nipata
> > >
> > >Put by the rod for all that lives,
> > >Nor harm thou anyone thereof;
> > >Long not for son -- how then for friend?
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >Love cometh from companionship;
> > >In wake of love upsurges ill;
> > >Seeing the bane that comes of love,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >In ruth for all his bosom friends,
> > >A man, heart-chained, neglects the goal;
> > >Seeing this fear in fellowship,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >Tangled as crowding bamboo boughs
> > >Is fond regard for sons and wife:
> > >As the tall tops are tangle-free,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >The deer untethered roams the wild
> > >Whithersoe'er it lists for food:
> > >Seeing the liberty, wise man,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >Casting aside the household gear,
> > >As sheds the coral-tree its leaves,
> > >With home-ties cut, and vigorous,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >Seek for thy friend[1] the deeply learned,
> > >Dhamma-endued, lucid and great;
> > >Knowing the needs, expelling doubt,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >The heat and cold, and hunger, thirst,
> > >Wind, sun-beat, sting of gadfly, snake:
> > >Surmounting one and all of these,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >Crave not for tastes, but free of greed,
> > >Moving with measured step from house
> > >To house, support of none, none's thrall,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >Free everywhere, at odds with none,
> > >And well content with this and that:
> > >Enduring dangers undismayed,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >Snap thou the fetters as the snare
> > >By river denizen is broke:
> > >As fire to waste comes back no more,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >And turn thy back on joys and pains,
> > >Delights and sorrows known of old;
> > >And gaining poise and calm, and cleansed,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >Neglect thou not to muse apart,
> > >'Mid things by Dhamma-faring aye;
> > >Alive to all becomings' bane,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >As lion, mighty-jawed and king
> > >Of beasts, fares conquering, so thou,
> > >Taking thy bed and seat remote,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >Poise, amity, ruth and release
> > >Pursue, and timely sympathy;
> > >At odds with none in all the world,
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >Leaving the vanities of view,
> > >Right method won, the Way obtained:
> > >"I know! No other is my guide!"
> > >Fare lonely as rhinoceros.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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