> Hope that helps
No it is not a help.
There are errors in your logic ser.
I want a discusion. Based on logic.
And plz do not ignore. I belive you are a scientist open to logic.

Is a logic common? I know yes.
Do you agree?

more in body

i don have now speller, but i belive the so common convention is not
a barier to exchange the truth.

--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jdcroft@...> wrote:
> My version
> > 1 how old is language
> > 2 period between speaking -writing
> > 3 what factor speed it up
> > 4 what is easier make language or learn it.
> > 5 single origins? Multiple ?
> > 6 speed of spread
> > 7 is ancient sounding language ancient
> > 8 Is language prone to change? So why is sometime changing so
> 1. Language has no beginning - it emerges out of the gestures and
> utterances of animals, and in fact, when considered as
> extends down into the chemical "languages" of neuropeptides and
> pheramones exchanged between insects and even single cells in the
> ocean.

yes even any article in universe is conncted and cominicating with
other in universe. But i didnt say it i like to excange ideas about
human spoken language. not he mimic or stil existing dantzing.

But we know a languages with defined origins. so is a rather the
mather how to define origin that if it is.
Do you agree?

If we have a proces continum we can divide it.
I dont think there is such a constant continum in language history.

> 2. The first written language appears to have been the memnonic
> of the Jemdat Nasr period in Southern Iraq, that later grew into
> Sumerian cuneiform of the Late Dynastic III period. To give an
> origin to the period of the origin of writing may be done as a
> arbitrary exercise some time between these two periods. A similar
> finding occurs in Egypt between the first recognisable signs of the
> Pre-Dynastic period and the full pyramid texts of the reign of Unas
> (5th Dynasty).

As you say it is mnemonic help. Help to memorize something what may
be forgoten. When the languge may be forgoten the history of those
people ma be forgoten.

> 3. The factor that speeds up the spread of writing is culture
> with a literate society.
Literate Society?
In 2 you propse thea writing is mnemonic help.
So how society with memory problem can help to promote language?

We witnes spreding of words acros continents before literacy period.

> 4. Learning a language is an automatic process and occurs as a
> of contact between adult speakers and children, usually before the
> age of 12. After this date, acquisiton of a new language is a much
> more complicated afair and requires a difficult learning process -
> with the result that (unlike children) an accent will continue for
> long time. Inventing a new language by comparison is much more
> difficult.

Yes and this is reason the original language errors.
Lerned language is never the same. Some words in other languages are
just part of sentence in another.
If word atmosphere is a string of words in other language is it a
prove that word atmosphere is borowed from it.
I espetialy like this word becose the logic of it is not so
Maybe you can say me what is the origin of this word and i will be
happy to help you !

Language is logical construction which (the ABC phase plz. see may
other posts 2)
I can present a logic of monosylabic sounds composition it is very
perswasive the words know evrybody.
The naswwer why and what is the logic is the answer.
And i afrid you dont know it.
example whay
onomatopoei = ono ma to poei
has a more sens than
onomatopoei = onoma topoei
Do you know?

> 5. All languages (even insect ones) have a single origin, but
> diversification occus as a result of geographic spread and mutation
> in the signifiers. In languages that are learned culturally (from
> the social animals onwards), secondary contacts can lead to
> modificaion of signals (in humans - the adoption of new
> but the underlying original origins can still be determined. A
> possible exception to this is the "bundsprachte" systems where a
> group of languages existing in georgraphic proximity begin to
> homogenise in grammar and phonemic structure (This seems to have
> happened in many Australian Aboriginal languages where
> precise "trees" are difficult to determine).

Let asume the mithical brothes Romulus and Romus. And the mith
Will they be able to spek? isay yes
What language? a new
Will it be another language origin. Yes
Is it posible ? Theoreticaly yes
(i have in maind more probable scenario)
did it happen ? We dont now
Is your single origin posibly false Yes
Do you agree? i dont know
but do you ?

> 6. Speed of spread of a language is determined by the socio-
> political, economic, religious, educational and cultural forces
> propell it. Arab was spread from Spain to the Indus in less than a
> century! Other languages spread incredibly slowly.... How long is
> piece of string?
string ?
dou you know?
i dont ask question to waste bandwith.
Are may question inposible to answer? Not
What is the prove ? You misleading answers

You talking about spreading people with language.
May question is about language itself.
By talking not by replacing large part of population.

Is may fold, i dont like to long sentences.

> 7. There is no such thing as ancient sounding language. Insead
> individual language has evolved from earlier languages, and when
> known these languages "sound" ancient to their modern hearer, but
> the people who spoke these languages they were not ancient sounding
> at all. Ancientness resides in the ear of the hearer.

that may be not corect if there are multiple origins.
but going back to meritum (me rzi tu) you
>"sound" ancient
what it maean ""
Yes sound or
No at all?

> 8. All languages are prone to change. The rate of change varies
> according to a number of factors
> - How many speakers are there (small languages can change
> significantly faster than big ones)
> - How fast is the rate of socio-cultural change (periods of fast
> change see the introduction of new vocabularly faster than slow
> periods)
> - Is a "classic" standard of the language recognised. Languages
> based upon an educated "classical" form change slower than those
> are not.
> But no matter how much you try you cannot stop the change of a
> language.
Yes here i can agree wiht you
I think may short direct question and answers will
not cloud an atmosthere of our discution

Thruth is only one


> Hope that helps

> Regards
> John

> > 1 how old is language
> > 2 period between speaking -writing
> > 3 what factor speed it up
> > 4 what is easier make language or learn it.
> > 5 single origins? Multiple ?
> > 6 speed of spread
> > 7 is ancient sounding language ancient
> > 8 Is language prone to change? So why is sometime changing so