Forgive me Grace but I have to get a trifle gory here - I do not want to make you throw your tea. But we are all of the animal kingdom   You can put  butchers hooks behind the tendons of a pig and the ox too and the weight is borne well enough for you to slit and gut the thing.

I apologise for being so graphic, it is a job I know of  and though I have never been a butcher, I insist that a visit to a meat factory where they cut the stuff up did not make me a vegetarian.

So why should there be difficulty with acknowledging that this could be done to a human, then was Hard Times Grace and people were cruel, but as Alan said in his comments - so truly - look at Iraq we are at our worst there. We are still Cruel for we are Human and it is our way

Blood and gore do not put me off because it is my way I am a Scorpion - any Astrologers out there

Patricia

Grace I beg no offence is taken