In Rolfs Saga, doesn't it mention that he went to Rouen in Valland? That
area was later called Normandy. It may also have included territory that is
now in Belgium or Flanders.

Laurel

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From: "Daniel Bray" <danielbray@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [norse_course] Re: Illugi 1 (on Fernando's comments on Grace's
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> The name "Valland" to me, as in the Russian page, suggests the area
> around modern Belgium, which was part of the Northern Frankish Kingdom.
> Today the northern part is Flanders (Dutch Vlaanderen), and the southern
> part Wallonia, respectively speaking dialects of Dutch (Flemish) and
> French (Walloon). It is easy to see the linguistic relation to
> "Valland". Perhaps it might have been a general name for the Low
Countries.
>
> Kveðja,
> Dan
>
> llama_nom wrote:
>
> >--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Fernando Guerrero"
> ><cualfer@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Cleasby confuses me sometimes! As for Vallandi he says that it
> >>
> >>
> >is "the land of the 'Welsh' or foreigners, especially in the sagas
> >related to France."
> >
> >Me too! Not a very clear definition, is it? But I think there's a
> >certain amount of vagueness in the word itself. The entry is
> >probably trying to say that Valir (the inhabitants of Valland) is
> >cognate with the English word Wales, but that in Old Norse
> >prose, 'Valland' usually means "France". However, it's also been
> >applied to Italy and (as Fritzner has it) Normany. What we call
> >Wales is referred to as 'Bretland', the Welsh language Brezka. It's
> >possible Valland somewhere refers to Wales, I don't know. Of
> >course, a lot of the time, especially in legendary sagas and poems,
> >it might not be possible to pin down an exact location.
> >
> >Ólafur Halldórsson in "Danish Kings and the Jomsvikings in the
> >Longest Saga of Óláfr Tryggvason" glosses Valland as "France" in one
> >place, but "Wales?" in the line: "Svá er sagt at Loðbrókarsynir hafi
> >rekit mestan hernað í forneskiu um öll þessi lönd: England, Valland,
> >Frakkland..." On the other hand, a note to an online Russian
> >translation of Ragnarssona þáttr [
> >http://norse.net.ru/texts/ragnarssynir.html#_edn14 ], which contains
> >the same list of countries, suggests "the French speaking part of
> >Belgium"--or so I'm told; I haven't studied Russian.
> >
> >Hollander renders 'serki valrauða' in Atlakviða 4 as "Welsh sarks
> >gory red", a scattergun style double translation, perhaps a gift of
> >Roman mail-shirts [red with gold] might make a more likely present.
> >The name Kjár in Völundarkviða and Hlöðskviða (in Hervarar saga) has
> >been equated with Caesar. His people are the Valir in Hlöðskviða,
> >his land Valland in Völundarkviða, but were these seen as Romans or
> >the subjects of the Frankish Holy Roman Emperor? Did the authors
> >even make such a distinction?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Anyway, do you think that it may be realated to "vallari"
> >>
> >>
> >pilgrim, traveller in a foreign land.
> >
> >
> >I don't know, maybe, but the root seems to have a long history of
> >positively connotations, implying wealth and fine things. The
> >Tjurkö bracteate runic inscription uses WALHAKURNE = ON *valkorn,
> >thought to be a kenning for gold. As you've probably heard, it´s
> >even been suggested that Valhöll is really the Roman hall, exotic
> >foreign luxiorious hall(?), the Colloseum(?), rathen than "the hall
> >of the slain".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Fritzner locates this land a bit better, I thik as being most
> >>
> >>
> >probably Normandy. He renders it as "Nordfrankrige" giving the
> >example of "hann vann þat ríki í Vallandi, er s´síðan var kallat
> >Norðmandi" taken from Fsk. 210.
> >
> >
> >> So actually she was the daughter of the king of Normandy????????
> >>
> >> A bit odd
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Legendary geography. Anything is possible! Not the oddest thing in
> >this saga, anyway. That's still to come...
> >
> >
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> >
> >> I think it is "Sigurdr, the kinks son,
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kinks
> >
> >:-)
> >
> >
> >
> >Sorry, could´t resist.
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