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Subject: [norse_course] Re:
Pronunciation help Norse "C"
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LM <lavrans@......> wrote:
>
Wow! THE Kiyo? With the incredible website?
>
> What a
great resource!
>
> Thank you so much for your work!
>
> Larry Miller
Absolutely. Just like to add my
awe and thanks to Larry's. In case
anyone hasn't come across
"Kiyo's Norse Links" yet, I strongly
recommend you look at
this:
http://home.ix.netcom.com/%7Ekyamazak/lk-norse.htm
>
kiyo9tails wrote:
>
> > Wow, much thanks to Llama Nom for
digging up so much information.
> > I will make the due corrections
on my webpages.
That's alright. Glad to be of
use.
> > I was vaguely aware that "ce" in Old English was
pronounced "che" or
> > [tS-e] because I listened to a
recording of the poem "Deor" in
which
> > there occurs the line
"Eormanrices" = "Ermanaric's"; Ermanaric
being
> > of course
Jörmunrekr of the Eddas and the Volsunga saga.
Okay, these are
the rules for when <ce> = [tSe] in OE (not counting
the
combination <sc>), according to Campbell's Old English Grammar.
At least this is how I understand them... They work most of the
time, but not always. Some exceptions are due to analogy with
parts
of the paradigm where different rules applied. Another
exception is
the middle consonant of <cieken> "chicken", as
indicated by the
spelling in the Mercian Rushworth Gospells, a unique
scibal attempt
at distinguishing the front and back pronunciations of
<c>. This
can't be due to analogy with other parts of the
paradigm, but might
be accounted for by dissimilation. Anyway,
here are the rules.
(For <ce>, read <ce> or
<cce>.)
1. <ce> = [ke] if the <e> is due to
i-umlaut of a back vowel.
2. <ce> = [ke] within a word, if
preceeded by a back vowel.
3. <ce> = [ke] if the <e> arose
before a continuant that was
originally syllabic (e.g. æcer "acre" <
Proto OE *ækr).
4. Otherwise <ce> did result in the affricate
[tS]. Before a
stressed syllable this became <cie> in Early
West Saxon. In late WS
the same combination is often spelt
<cy> (but also <ce>, <cie> and
<ci>).
Some OE textbooks print a dot above <c> in
words like 'bæc'
and 'æcer'. This indicates that they are thought
to have been
palatal stops in early OE, something like [c], as in
Icelandic 'kenna'. According to Campbell, in such positions,
<c>
never evolved into [tS], but instead reverted to [k].
Regarding
Rule One, don't forget that /æ/ counts as a front vowel, so if
<e>
is due to i-umlaut of /æ/, this would result in
affrication.
I THINK that's more or less everything...
Llama
Nom