Saell Alan
Since my last reply taken from this lletter of yours, I have looked up  Gordon Zoega and Barnes and compared their definitions for þvi, Gordon gives his - as you have done  and Barnes and Zoega , do not give the same thing at all, Barnes in Patricular, as it is his work I'm using to study, actually gives this, that, it, etc, are you using Gordon?
Kveðja
Patricia
 confused by the syntax from Hell 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [norse_course] Auðun section 21/feedback Patricia

Sael Patricia

 

Comments inserted as usual.

 

Kveðja

Alan

 

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Saell Alan,

this was one of the best to do, I found myself reading it, then timidly going to the book (Zoega / Gordon) to check and finding myself right after all, said I'd take greater pains, didn't I

 

Þá spurði Haraldr konungr: 'Hverju launaði Sveinn konungr þér dýrit?'

Then asked (past - spyrja) Haraldr king-the "what/How rewarded (launaði- past) Sweinn King-the [‘-inn’, the def article, is not in the text]   to you(2.per dat) the animal (dyr + def art.)

Then King Harald asked "How did King Sweinn reward you for the Animal"

 

 Auðun svarar: 'Því, herra, at hann þá at mér.'

Auðun replies "this [(in) that (way), dat sg neut of sá ] lord  (at) [that]  he then [accepted, þá is past tense of þiggja] (at) of/from me (dat?)

He accepted this from me (i.e. the bear, which was the "this" to which he referred

 

Konungr sagði: 'Launat mynda ek þér því hafa. Hverju launaði hann enn?'

King-the (nom) reward[ed, past part]  would I (?subj [yes]) to thee this [that, as above] have how rewarded he in addition"

The King said "I would have rewarded thee thus, what more reward did he give.

 

 Auðun svarar: 'Gaf hann mér silfr til suðrgöngu.'

Auðun answers "Gave he to me silver for a pilgrimage"

Auðun said "He gave me money for a Pilgrimage"

 

Þá segir Haraldr konungr, 'Mörgum mönnum gefr Sveinn konungr silfr til suðrgöngu eða annarra hluta

Then says Harald King-the "To Many Men (Dat Pl) gives Sweinn the King the money [silver] for a pilgrimage or for other purpose[s (both annarra and hluta are gen pl)]

Then says King Harald "King Sweinn gives to many men the money for Pilgrimage or for other purposes

 

 þótt ekki fœri honum gørsimar. Hvat er enn fleira?'

Although none brought him treasure[s, acc pl]  "what did he in addition [is (there) still] more"

Even though none brought him treasure, "What else did he give you"

 

'Hann bauð mér', segir Auðun, 'at gørask skutilsveinn hans ok mikinn sóma til mín at leggja

He invited to me Says Auðun "to become (gøra+sk) cup-bearer to him and great honours [acc sg agreeing with mikinn] on me (1st per dat) placed/laid

He invited me says Auðun  to be his cup bearer and laid (preferred) great honours upon me

 

.' 'Vel var þat mælt', segir konungr, 'ok launa myndi hann enn fleira.'

Well was that said, Says the King  "and  a reward [verb, infinitive] would he give [still] more

"This was well done" Sas the King "did he give you any More"

 

Auðun sagði, 'Gaf hann mér knörr með farmi þeim er hingat er bezt varit í Nóreg.'

Auðun said  "gave he to me a ship/vessel, with Goods/Cargo these [that, dat sg of sá] to hither the best(from betri) value[d, past part] in Norway

Auðun said "he gave me a Ship with such a cargo as is prized in Norway

 

'Þat var stórmannligt', segir konungr, '

That was Munificient says the king    (it translates - in the manner of a grand man)

That was extremely generous said the King (prefer that)

 

en launat mynda ek þér því hafa

and [but] rewarded would I to thee (dat.Sg of þu) [(in) that (way), as above] have

I too would have rewarded you in this way

 

 Launaði hann því fleira?'

rewarded he thee [(in) that (way)] more

Did he give you anything else

 

I hope this is better Allan, I'm going nouns now out of the book and the verbs some later, but I think it is a bit better we have adjectives and pronouns next I believe

Kveðja

Patriicia

 

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From: AThompson

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:53 AM

Subject: [norse_course] Auðun section 21

 

Sælir

 

Here is the next installment of Auðun. Lots of words that we have encountered already so this is mainly a revision exercise. Also lots of repetition so I have made the section slightly longer than normal

 

Kveðja

Alan

 

 

Þá spurði Haraldr konungr: 'Hverju launaði Sveinn konungr þér dýrit?' Auðun svarar: 'Því, herra, at hann þá at mér.' Konungr sagði: 'Launat mynda ek þér því hafa. Hverju launaði hann enn?' Auðun svarar: 'Gaf hann mér silfr til suðrgöngu.' Þá segir Haraldr konungr, 'Mörgum mönnum gefr Sveinn konungr silfr til suðrgöngu eða annarra hluta, þótt ekki fœri honum gørsimar. Hvat er enn fleira?' 'Hann bauð mér', segir Auðun, 'at gørask skutilsveinn hans ok mikinn sóma til mín at leggja.' 'Vel var þat mælt', segir konungr, 'ok launa myndi hann enn fleira.' Auðun sagði, 'Gaf hann mér knörr með farmi þeim er hingat er bezt varit í Nóreg.' 'Þat var stórmannligt', segir konungr, 'en launat mynda ek þér því hafa. Launaði hann því fleira?'

 

 



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