Eytomologically


According to Vigfusson et al:

Gothic bua - to dwell
buargs - dwellings, i.e. "city"
I remember that citizen is somehow related to bua

Supposedly this evolved into:

ON bondi - freeman, franklin, citizen


Bua actually evolved into ON borg, city and thus did not also evolve
into bondi.

Evolution:

bua = dwell
buargs
borg
berg
etc.......

Gothic gabundi = bond

Evolution:
gabundi = bond
bondi


BTW, Devries also derived bondi from bua I believe. Maybe this is
where it came from. Scholars many times take for granted other
scholars work. But I believe this is a strong proof of the meaning
of bondi. Plus, it is common sense.



--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
<originalpatricia@...> wrote:

> Yes indeed Dirk both interesting and important, very worthy of

note, this translation stuff has got to me, I wonder what will be
thought of my second bit, knowing some German and O/E really seems
to help.

> I have sent for the books and they are a long time coming, it'll

have me chewin' the nails off meself so it will.

> Blessings
> Patricia
> PS Can you ket me know of a source ??online?? preferably where

there might be maps that would show where the different tribes were
situated, I should much appreciate this

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dirk Howat
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:05 AM
> Subject: [norse_course] Re: I am learning
>
>
>
> Patricia,
>
> I looked at some of my sources today. You are right, Cleasby

Vigfusson

> uses franklin as a definition.
>
> The deal, bond is not used a a meaning of bondi with CV ON

dictionary.

> But, I looked at Wright's Gothic Grammar to see where bond fit

in:

>
> ga-bundi = bond
> ga being a common Gothic prefix
>
> Thus:
>
> Gothic bundi - to bond
> ON bondi
>
> relating to the other definition of bondi deriving from bua

dwell.

> In gothic it is bua as well which is related to baurgs or

city. This

> relation of bau and baurgs makes total sense but bau and

baurgs is not

> etymologically related to ga-bundi.
>
> Cleasby - Vigfusson and subsequently Zoega got it wrong. ON

bondi is

> derived from the earlier Germanic Gothic word ga-bundi. Some

view

> Gothic a proto-Norse in a way because Goths came from

Scandinavia and

> were "Norse", i.e. northerners. Gothic is circa 300 CE whereas

ON is

> circa 1000 CE.
>
> I believe this is very strong proof. Interesting huh?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
> <originalpatricia@...> wrote:
> > Another definition of bondi one which I like is given by

Zoega,

> and it is a franklin = which in mediaeval times certainly

meant a

> Freeholder of non-noble birth holding extensive property, I

cannot

> help thinking maybe bondsman or serf sounds a trifle too

servile, but

> Tenant I offer as my two pence (English currency), and truly

tenant I

> consider, if too modern then cerainly nearer the mark of the

man's

> status in the community
> > Patricia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Laurel Bradshaw
> > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [norse_course] Re: I am learning
> >
> >
> > The problem with trying to be that "literal" is that word
> meanings do change over time. I don't know any translators

that would

> give "bondsman" as a translation for "bondi" because the modern
> meaning contains the idea of servitude. They weren't

servants. I

> believe the relationship was more contractual, much like a

person

> today would have with their employer. So farmer

doesn't "quite" work

> either, but they were more than a hired hand, and yeoman just

sounds

> archaic. So I'll stick with farmer, understanding that the

actual

> social position was more complex in a narrower sense perhaps)

than

> that. If you choose to use the word bondsman or bondwoman, it

is with

> the same understanding that the actual social position is more

complex

> (though in a broader sense) than that. Being conservative or

more

> liberal in translation is not better than... just a different

way of

> approaching it. That's why I give both a word-by-word and

a "modern"

> translation.
> >
> > Laurel
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dirk Howat
> > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:28 AM
> > Subject: [norse_course] Re: I am learning
> >
> >
> >
> > Laurel,
> >
> > I did not stat that this unfree class was bound to the

land, I

> was
> > rather giving different meanings to what a bondi could

be in any

> > context.
> >
> > You stated:
> >
> > >They held many rights under the law in
> > > comparison to the thralls. They could bear witness,
> > > produce verdicts, vote on public matters, attend
> > > religious ceremonies, and make and bear weapons
> >
> > They were not then totally free, but constrained,

bonded. It

> seems
> > that they were bounded under social norms and thus

were bonded

> to a
> > higher ruling class. Laurel, if your supposition is

correct then,

> > when a translator reads bondi in a ON text, as Sarah

did, you

> would
> > translate it as bondsmen or bondwomen, as the case may

be. Not

> > farmer as seemingly all translator normally do. Again,

this is

> > probably a semantic correlation of functionality so

the reader

> can
> > get the drift. But the translator could get it wrong.

As you

> > mentioned, if you read a bondi going viking, well you

would

> not want
> > to translate it as a farmer going viking, but a

bondsmen going

> > viking. This then affirms a more literal translation

method

> over a
> > translation method less conservative and more liberal

where the

> > translator gives his or her own "take" on the story.
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