--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
<originalpatricia@...> wrote:
> Yes indeed Dirk both interesting and important, very worthy of
note, this translation stuff has got to me, I wonder what will be
thought of my second bit, knowing some German and O/E really seems
to help.
> I have sent for the books and they are a long time coming, it'll
have me chewin' the nails off meself so it will.
> Blessings
> Patricia
> PS Can you ket me know of a source ??online?? preferably where
there might be maps that would show where the different tribes were
situated, I should much appreciate this



Patricia,

Maps of tribes:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Maps/Periods/Roman/Pl
aces/Europe/Germania/1.html
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/map/germantribes.htm
http://www.friesian.com/germania.htm

Any good? I searched for "germania" and "map".



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dirk Howat
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:05 AM
> Subject: [norse_course] Re: I am learning
>
>
>
> Patricia,
>
> I looked at some of my sources today. You are right, Cleasby
Vigfusson
> uses franklin as a definition.
>
> The deal, bond is not used a a meaning of bondi with CV ON
dictionary.
> But, I looked at Wright's Gothic Grammar to see where bond fit
in:
>
> ga-bundi = bond
> ga being a common Gothic prefix
>
> Thus:
>
> Gothic bundi - to bond
> ON bondi
>
> relating to the other definition of bondi deriving from bua
dwell.
> In gothic it is bua as well which is related to baurgs or
city. This
> relation of bau and baurgs makes total sense but bau and
baurgs is not
> etymologically related to ga-bundi.
>
> Cleasby - Vigfusson and subsequently Zoega got it wrong. ON
bondi is
> derived from the earlier Germanic Gothic word ga-bundi. Some
view
> Gothic a proto-Norse in a way because Goths came from
Scandinavia and
> were "Norse", i.e. northerners. Gothic is circa 300 CE whereas
ON is
> circa 1000 CE.
>
> I believe this is very strong proof. Interesting huh?


Dirk,

Are you sure? As I understand it, a cognate of Gothic gabundi would
have become *byndr in Old Icelandic (jo-stem like heiðr = Go.
haiþi). The traditional explanation (relating to búa) in Cleasby-
Vigfusson makes more sense to me, especially given the uncontracted
form búandi (pl. búendr)--which also appears in various compounds.
Proto Norse (Primitive Norse) is attested in runic inscriptions
contemporary with the Gothic Bible, and the two languages already
differ in a number of significant ways, so while knowledge of one
can certainly cast light on the other, it would be a bit confusing
to talk of Gothic as "a proto-Norse".

Llama Nom