Re: I am learning

Sarah,

I like to literalistic style of translation. Good job.

Hann fór útan vestr þar í fjörðum með umráði Þorsteins bónda góðs,
ok Þóris stýrimanns,

he fared out west of the Fjords with (Umraði) of Thorstein, a good
bondsman and Thorir the Steersman (or Captain)

Yes! It is hard to find an appropriate equivalent for bónda góðs -
perhaps good yeoman or just good farmer [to me bondsman implies
something more along the lines of a servant - but, hey, we're really
nit-picking now :-)!!]

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Bowen" <sarahbowen@...>
wrote:

> Hi Patricia - you've done a great job!!
>
> Maðr hét Auðun, vestfirzkr at kyni ok félítill.
> A man named Audun west (firther) of Kin and (guessing - poor) -

good guess: fé means goods, chattel, possessions, money; lítill
means little or small.

>
> Hann fór útan vestr þar í fjörðum með umráði Þorsteins bónda góðs,

ok Þóris stýrimanns,

> he fared out west of the Fjords with
> (Umraði) of Thorstein, a good bondsman and Thorir the Steersman

(or Captain) - yes! It is hard to find an appropriate equivalent
for bónda góðs - perhaps good yeoman or just good farmer [to me
bondsman implies something more along the lines of a servant - but,
hey, we're really nit-picking now :-)!!]

> Umráði can be translated as patronage - maybe sounds a bit old-

fashioned? Is "with funding from" too modern?

>
> er þar hafði þegit vist of vetrinn með Þorsteini.
> he had (work) throughout the winter with Thorstein. Again,

you've got the meaning ok. "er" is a relative pronoun
meaning "who". þegit is the past participle of þiggja meaning to
accept or to receive. vist means food and lodging or employment
[perhaps you got your food and lodging in return for the work!] So
this is referring to Thorir who had been employed by Thorstein for
the winter.

>
> Auðun var ok þar, ok starfaði fyrir honum Þóri,
> Auðun was also there and working for (honum - like enim in Latin

say - that same) Thorir - yes. Honum is the dative of hann which
agrees with the noun Þóri. It must be the preposition fyrir which
sends them into the dative. Have you seen our discussions on the
use of personal pronouns in this way?

>
> ok þá þessi laun af honum, útanferðina ok hans umsjá.
> And then this reward from him (out travel) and his (umsja - care -

food) - you're nearly there! Although þá is often an adverb
meaning "then", here it is the past indicative of the verb þiggja
meaning to receive. "útanferðina" is the outward journey - notice
the definite article tacked on to the end. Yes, umsjá is oversight,
care or supervision - maybe we could say "support"?

>
> Hann Auðun lagði mestan hluta fjár, þess er var, fyrir móður sína,
> He Auðun laid most of (hluta ? wealth) (fjar) that there was for

his mother, - yes, you've got it again. "hluta" is the accusative
singular of hluti meaning part and "fjár" is the genitive singular
of fé meaning money or possessions.

>
> áðr hann stigi á skip, ok var kveðit á þriggja vetra björg.
> Before he stood on ship it was settled as three years work,
> Pretty much so, björg is help, deliverance (out of need or danger)

or means of subsistence, stores, provisions. So the fé that he left
behind was to provide for his mum for 3 years.

>
> Bye the way, if you´re after a good dictionary, University of

Toronto Press have just issued a paperback version of Zoega´s
Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic at CAN$29.95 and you can order
it over the internet from the Uni of Toronto bookshop.

>
> Cheers,
> Sarah.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patricia
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [norse_course] I am learning
>
>
> Bear with me Sarah, I have not started the course of learning

yet but I have German, which I am told should help and some of the
Old English, so if I can merely get the Gist of this I can see I'm
pointed in the right direction, so I shall then put bits in brackets
that I cannot tell, and I'll order a copy of a good dictionary
through Amazon

>
> A man named Audun west (firther) of Kin and (guessing - poor)

he fared out west of the Fjords with

> (Umraði) of Thorstein, a good bondsman and Thorir the

Steersman (or Captain) he had (work) throughout the winter with
Thorstein.

> Auðun was also there and working for (honum - like enim in

Latin say - that same) Thorir

> And then this reward from him (out travel) and his (umsja -

care - food)

> He Auðun laid most of (hluta ? wealth) (fjar) that there was

for his mother,

> Before he stood on ship it was settled as three years work,
>
> And the last bit was slightly guess work, if it can only be

said I have gotten the basics of it, then it is worth going through
the whole course that I have, and getting the dictionary from
Amazon, I only wanted to try. Currently I have varying degrees of
skill (Very Varying) in the following Languages, English, French,
German, Old English/Chaucer, Latin, little Spanish (un poquito no de
mas) and I think that is about it, I must count English because it
was not the first language I spoke, but I can teach is to children,
once I did remedial work.

> I hope I have not wasted your time in writing to me
> It is past eleven at night (Patricia Time)
> Many thanks and Blessings
> Patricia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarah Bowen
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [norse_course] I am learning
>
>
> Hi Patricia!
>
> Welcome on board! A group of us are translating a short

story about Audun and his bear. You'd be very welcome to have a go
at that and just do what bits you can. I'll gladly give you
feedback, based on my uni notes if you'd find that useful.

>
> The first few lines which we have started on are:
>
> Maðr hét Auðun, vestfirzkr at kyni ok félítill. Hann fór

útan vestr þar í fjörðum með umráði Þorsteins bónda góðs, ok Þóris
stýrimanns, er þar hafði þegit vist of vetrinn með Þorsteini. Auðun
var ok þar, ok starfaði fyrir honum Þóri, ok þá þessi laun af honum,
útanferðina ok hans umsjá. Hann Auðun lagði mestan hluta fjár, þess
er var, fyrir móður sína, áðr hann stigi á skip, ok var kveðit á
þriggja vetra björg.

>
> Don't worry if you can't make head nor tail of it all. Just

do the bits you can do! Look forward to hearing from you.

>
> Good luck!
> Sarah.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patricia
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:52 PM
> Subject: [norse_course] I am learning
>
>
> From Patricia, originalpatricia@...
> May I please join in and do some work, to learn Old Norse,

a translation to do would be nice, but do not expect perfect work
from me I am a beginner who learns fairly fast.

> Thanks
> Patricia
>
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