"I appreciate Sjuler's work on normalizing Dalecarlian/Dalska."

Actually, I have been looking at Jamtlandic again encouraged by my
attempt to normalize Dalecarlian spelling. Since you are interested
in the topic, and that there is at least a finite rather than
infinitisemal connection to Old Norse, I'll give you some oncrete
examples of my current view of Jamtlandic normalization. Note though
that my mind may be changing, like it has been before. (I think I am
pretty close to a full achievement now though).

The Jamtlandic alphabet has the following characters (home-made close-
to-SAMPA phonetical descriptions of them is employed - should be
defined somewhere):

A
[A:] before short consonant; LAG [´lA:G] (n. 'team, pack'),
[a] before long consonant; LANN [´lann] (n. 'land, country'),
[o] before NG or NK; RANG [´roNN] (adj. 'wrong').


Â
[{:]; FÂRA [f{:`ra] (v. 'go, travel'), DÂĐ [´d{:] (pron.' it').

Á
[o::] before short consonant; LJÁ [´jo::] (n. 'scythe'),
[o] before long consonant; HÁTTUG [hott`u] (adj. 'pleasant').

À
[] in the end of a word; KASTÀ [ka`ast] (v. 'throw'),
[E] elsewhere; KASTÀĐ [kast`E] (adj. 'thrown').

Å
[O:]; LÅĐÅ [lO:`DO] (n. 'barn').

B
[b] when short; BØĐIN [b2:`Dn] (adj. 'invited'),
[bb] when long; SABBUG [sabb`u] (adj. 'slushy')

D
[d] when short; DETTÀ [dE`Ett] (v. 'fall'),
[dd] when long; SKODD [´skodd] (n. 'fog').

Đ
[D] between vowels; SIĐER [sI:`DEr] (comp. adj. 'later'),
[V] after AU; SAUĐ [´sOU:V] (n. 'sheep'),
[] elsewhere; LIĐ [´lI:] (n. 'joint'), FJEĐR [´fje:r] (n. 'feathe=
r').

E
[e:] before short consonant; BER [be:r] (n. 'berry'),
[E] before long consonant; FENN [fEnn] (n. 'snowdrift').

Ê
[{:]; SKJÊRA [S{:`ra] (v. 'cut'), MÊĐ [´m{:] (prep. 'with, by').

É
[I::] before short consonant; KNÉ [´knI::] (n. 'knee'),
[i] before long consonant; FRÉTTÀ [fri`itt] (v. 'interview'),
[jI::] in the beginning of a word; ÉL [´jI::L] (n. 'snow shower'),
[E] after T and K; TÉTT [´tSEtt] (adj. 'dense').

F
[f] when short; FEGIN [fEjj`In] (adj. 'happy'),
[ff] when long; MÓFFAR [mUff`a] (n. 'grandfather [mother's kin]').

G
[G] when short; VÊG [´v{:G] (n. 'road'),
[gg] when long; VEGG [´vEgg] (n. 'wall'),
[g] in the beginning of a word; GLÍSÀ [gLi:`i:s] (v. 'grin, sneer'),
[j] when short and before front or mid vowel; GÊRA [j{:`ra] (v. 'do,
make'),
[ddZ] when long and before front vowel; STEGGÌ [stE`EddZ] (n. 'sea-
bird').

H
[ ] before J and V; HJÂMA [j{:`ma] (v. 'freeze to ice [a surface]'),
[h] elsewhere; HEVI [he:`VI] (v. 'put').

I
[I:] before short consonant; SKRIVIN [skrI:`VIn] (adj. 'written'),
[i] before long consonant; SKRINN [´skrinn] (adj. 'thin').

Î
[{:]; VÎTA [v{:`ta] (v. 'know'), MÎĐ [´m{:] (pron. 'we').

Í
[i::] before short consonant; KRÍM [´kri::m] (n. 'cold'),
[i] before long consonant; FÍNT [´fint] (adv. 'elegantly').

J
[j]; JÓRĐ [´jU::L] (n. 'earth, dirt'),

K
[k] when short; KROPPÀ [kro`opp] (v. 'scratch, pick'),
[kk] when long; TJUKK [´tSukk] (adj. 'thick, fat'),
[c] when short and before mid vowels; SKØTIN [sk9:`tn] (adj. 'shot'),
[tS] when short and before front vowel; KYTTÀ [tSy`ytt] (v. 'jump'),
[ttS] when long and before front vowel; BAKKÌ [ba`attS]
(n. 'hillside').

L
[L] when short; FLUKKAR [fLukk`ar] (n. 'picker [of something]'),
[ll] when long; KVELL [´kvEll] (n. 'evening'),
[l^o] when long and before T; SALLT [´sal^0t] (n. 'salt'),
[l] in the beginning of a word and after mid or front vowel; LEIĐ
[´lEI:] (adj. 'bored').

M
[m] when short; MÝLÀ [my:`y:L] (v. 'squeeze, cuddle'),
[mm] when long; SKJEMM [´SEmm] (adj. 'blunt').

N
[n] when short; NIĐ [´nI:] (adv. 'down'),
[nn] when long; STRANN [´strann] (n. 'beach').

O
[O:] before short consonant; SPOR [´spO:r] (n. 'trace, print'),
[o] before long consonant; STORKJÀ [sto`oSS] (n. 'girl').

Ô
[A:]; SÔVA [sA:`Va] (v. 'sleep'), SÔN [´sA:n] (n. 'son').

Ó
[U::] before short consonant; DÓTIR [dU::`tIr] (n. 'daughter'),
[U] before long consonant; BÓNNÌ [bU`Unn] (n. 'farmer').

P
[p] when short; PIKKLUG [pikk`Lu] (adj. 'weak, poor'),
[pp] when long; SKRUPPUG [skrupp`u] (adj. 'wrinkled').

R
[r] when short; RAUĐ [´rOU:] (adj. 'red')
[rr] when long; SPJARRÀ ÓPP [spj{rr`Upp] (v. 'open')
[r] when long and after Y; DYRR [´d2:r] (n. 'door').

Ř
[S]; SNÂŘP [´sn{Sp] (adj. 'fast, quick').

S
[s] when short; SISÁN [sI`so:n] (adv. 'in this way'),
[ss] when long; KLUSS [´kLuss] (n. 'slap').

T
[t] when short; TÝNÀ [ty:`y:n] (v. 'destroy'),
[tt] when long; STUTT [´stutt] (adj.'short'),
[tS] before É; TÉTT [´tSEtt] (adj. 'dense').

U
[u:] before short consonant; GUĐ [gu:] (n. 'God'),
[u] before long consonant; TUSSUG [tuss`u] (adj. 'soon to be sick')

Ú
[Y::] before short consonant; NÚNAN [nY::´nan] (adv. 'now'),
[Y] before long consonant; FÚLT [´fYt't'] (adv. 'angrily').

V
[v] in the beginning of a word; VEĐR [´ve:r] (n. 'weather'),
[V] elsewhere; LÎVA [l{:`Va] (v. 'live').

Y
[2:] before short consonant; YVIR [9:´VI] (adv. 'over'),
[y] before long consonant; LYNG [´lyNN] (n. 'sprigs'),
[2:] before RR; FYRR [´f2:r] (adv. 'before, earlier').

Ý
[y::] before short consonant; LÝSÌ [ly:`y:s] (n. 'lamp'),
[y] before long consonant; FLÝDD [´fLydd] (adj. 'fled').

Æ
[E::] before short consonant; STRÆK [´strE::k] (n. 'boy'),
[E] before long consonant; LÆGD [´lEgd] (n. 'flat depressed area').

Ø
[2:] before short consonant; TØK [´t2:k] (adj. 'easy to learn'),
[9] before long consonant; ØKS [´9ks] (n. 'axe').

Ö
[2::] before short consonant; BJÖR [´bj2::r] (n. 'beaver'),
[9] before long consonant; BÖNNR [b9nn´Er] (n. plur. 'farmers').

EI
[EI:] before short consonant; EIL [´EI:l] (n. 'fire'),
[E] before long consonant; GREITT [´grEtt] (adv. 'decently').

AU
[OU:] before short consonant; BRAUT [´brOU:t] (n. 'heap'),
[o] before long consonant; HAUST [´host] (n. 'autumn, fall').

ØY
[9y:] before short consonant; TØY [´t9y:] (n. 'thaw'),
[9] before long consonant; TRØYTT [´tr9tt] (adj. 'tired'),
[2::] before R or ĐR; RØYĐR [´r2::r] (n. 'char').


Of course, there is a bunch of special combinations of consonants
which get special pronunciations (SJ, SKJ, LD, RT, SL, RD, RĐ, VD etc =

etc), but they are too many to describe here.

I hope this was interesting to read, but don't take all details too
seriously - I might change my mind again ;)



Regards,
Sjuler (or "Sjúrð")

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, pdhanssen@... wrote:
>
> I own several textbooks for learning both Modern Icelandic
> (Stefan Einarsson, Jon Fridjonsson, osv.)
> and for learning "Old Norse" (Gordon, Cathey, Barnes, Garmonsway,
osf.)
> I have noticed that the Old Norse textbooks discuss linguistic
issues, such as vowel shifts, etc., to an enormous degree,
> (although I appreciate Gordon just starting directly with the texts,
> and deferring the grammar to the end of the book;
> but that makes his textbook more of an advanced book,
> and not an introduction.)
> And it seems to me that the Modern Icelandic textbooks are more
practical,
> with the goal of getting the student functional in the language
> and minimizing linguistic theory.
> I suppose that is the case because students of Old Norse are only
trying to acquire a passive command of the language,
> whereas students of modern Icelandic are seeking an active command.
>
> Someday, I should catalog the textbooks I have
> and post the list to this group.
>
> I appreciate Sjuler's work on normalizing Dalecarlian/Dalska.
>
> Med vennligste hilsener,
> Paul.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/27/2004 10:23:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
haukurth@... writes:
>
> >
> >
> > Well, information about the phonological difference is certainly
> > available easily enough (vowel shift, yadayada :) but syntax is
> > more subtle and may be harder to find.
> >
> > The subjunctive/indicative difference, for example, isn't quite
the
> > same now as it was in the old language.
> >
> > Kveðja,
> > Haukur
> >
> >
> >
> > Hinn 27. maí 2004 lét mona striewe þetta frá sér fara:
> > > hello petusek,
> > > most good grammar books (both old and modern icelandic) have an
introductory
> > > section about just this.
> > > i don't know if you can expect a person here to type all this
stuff in an
> > > e-mail...
> > > mona
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Petusek" <petusek@...>
> > > To: <norse_course@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:12 AM
> > > Subject: [norse_course] Old vs. Modern Icelandic
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello everyone!
> > > Could anyone, please, compare Old Icelandic & Modern Icelandic
for me? I
> > > would be grateful for anything. Especially phonology and syntax
(well, I
> > > am aware of some changes that occured in Modern Icelandic, but
I need some
> > > examples, much more and detailed information). Thanks to anyone
who helps
> > > me!
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Petusek
> >
> >
> >
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