As an example of the problems with fonts and character sets, the following
came through on my system as being full of gobblety-gook. The first word
for example contains 2 upper case As with tildas on them, a degree symbol
(small circle), and a weird character I can't recognize as a letter.
I imagine the problem is unicode, being received on a system that only
understands the ISO character sets.
As far as I know, the only systems in common use which understand unicode
are recent IBM PCs.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 06:04:45PM +1100, Alan Thompson wrote:
> Góðan daginn
>
> The table below is one that I developed to help me with special characters for Old English and the Scandinavian languages, when using Microsoft Word with an English Keyboard and Times Roman or Gentium fonts. But presumably any text editor that recognises Unicode should work. Next to each character I have identified the Unicode value, followed by the ASCII value. Unless you are using the special Latin Unicode keyboard you should ignore the last column. You will see that the values you´re mainly interested in are:
>
> Ǫ 01EA
> Ç« 01EB as in JÇ«kulsdalr
> and
>
> Å 0152
> Å 0153 as in fÅra
>
> I hope this is of some use.
>
> Bless
> Alan Thompson
> Canberra, Australia
>
>
> Char Unicode ASCII Latin Unicode
> Ã 00C1
> á 00E1
> Ã 00C4
> ä 00E4
> Ã
00C5 Sh+Ctrl+Alt(a)
> å 00E5 Ctrl+Alt(a)
> Ã 00C9
> é 00E9
> Ã 00CB
> Ã 00EB
> Ã 00CD
> Ã 00ED
> Ã 00D3
> ó 00F3
> Ã 00DA
> ú 00FA
> Å® 016E Sh+Ctrl+Alt(u)
> ů 016F Ctrl+Alt(u)
> Ã 00DD
> ý 00FD
> Ã 00C6
> æ 00E6
> Ǽ 01FC Alt(508)
> ǽ 01FD Alt(509)
> Ã 00D6
> ö 00F6
> Ǫ 01EA
> Ç« 01EB
> Å 0152
> Å 0153
> Ã 00D8 Sh+Ctrl+Alt(l)
> ø 00F8 Ctrl+Alt(l)
> Ó® 04EE Alt(1262)
> Ó¯ 04EF Alt(1263)
> Ȳ 0232
> ȳ 0233
> Ã 00DE Sh+Ctrl+Alt(t)
> þ 00FE Ctrl+Alt(t)
> Ã 00D0 Sh+Ctrl+Alt(d)
> ð 00F0 Ctrl+Alt(d)
> Ç· 01F7 Sh+Ctrl+Alt(w)
> Æ¿ 01BF Ctrl+Alt(w)
> Ä 0100 Alt(256)
> Ä 0101 Alt(257)
> Ä 0112 Alt(274)
> Ä 0113 Alt(275)
> Ī 012A Alt(298)
> Ä« 012B Alt(299)
> Å 014C Alt(332)
> Ū 016A Alt(362)
> Ū 016B Alt(363)
> Ǣ 01E2
> ǣ 01E3
> Ä 010A Alt(266)
> Ä 010B Alt(267)
> Ä 0120 Alt(288)
> Ä¡ 0121 Alt(289)
> È 021C Sh+Ctrl+Alt(y)
> È 021D Ctrl+Alt(y)
> Å 014A Sh+Ctrl+Alt(g)
> Å 014B Ctrl+Alt(g)
> Ã 00DF Sh+Ctrl+Alt(s)
> § 00A7 Ctrl+Alt(s)
> Æ 0192 Sh+Ctrl+Alt(f)
> Å¿ 017F Ctrl+Alt(f)
> Ì 030C Ctrl+Alt(;)
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:02 -0000
> From: "sjuler" <sjuler@...>
> Subject: Sv: Old Norse Font
>
> The "hooked o" is the Old Norse character which causes the meanest
> pain in the butt for those who want to use the original spelling
> system when posting Old Norse texts. A less mean character is the "oe
> ligature". The characters "thorn" ,"eth", "ae ligature", "o slash"
> and to some extent the diacritics (á, é,...; ö) cause some trouble as
> well.
> I see no point in using alternative spelling for "thorn" ,"eth", "ae
> ligature", "o slash". But for "hooked o" and "oe ligature" one needs
> to have an alternative. My proposition is:
>
> The Old Norse manuscripts' "hooked o" is denoted with 'õ' and
> the Old Norse manuscripts' "oe ligature" is denoted 'ö'.
>
> Thus, the plural nominative indefinite form of 'bóndi' is
> written 'böndir' (one dot on top of 'o' to denote i-umlaut, one dot
> to denote length - this is not far from late medieval rune spelling
> conventions), and the plural dative indefinite form of 'maðr' is
> written 'mõnnum'.
>
> Personally, I would prefer to use 'Ã¥' - "a with a ring on top" -
> instead of 'õ' denoting "hooked o" since then we see clear that we
> are dealing with an umlauted a (the ring suggesting an u-umlaut, see
> e.g. "ae ligature" as being an i-umlauted á). The problem is that
> probably only Norse keyboards have a special key (or obvious key
> combination) to produce 'Ã¥' - "a-ring". If 'Ã¥' - "a-ring" - would be
> in use, 'mõnnum' (ON 'm/hooked o/nnum', MI 'mönnum') would become a
> very logical 'månnum' - 'm/a-ring/nnum'.
>
>
> What about my ideas?
>
>
> Sklär,
> Jóhannes "Sjúrður" Bernhardsson
>
>
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "[ kubrick36 ]" <kubrick36@...>
> wrote:
> > Could someone please tell me where I can find a font for Old Norse
> including
> > the hooked-o? I have looked everywhere and cannot find one. I
> followed a
> > thread on norse_course from February of 2001 but it led nowhere as
> all of
> > its links had expired. Please, where can I get this font? I would
> very
> > much appreciate it if someone could send me such a file.
> > -William
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:51:44 -0500
> From: Erich Rickheit KSC <rickheit-ync@...>
> Subject: Re: Sv: Old Norse Font
>
> sjuler wrote:
> > The Old Norse manuscripts' "hooked o" is denoted with 'õ' and
> > the Old Norse manuscripts' "oe ligature" is denoted 'ö'.
>
> The Zöega dictionary uses ö (o with trema) in place of the "hooked
> o", as do most other manuscripts I've seen. It would be incredibly
> painful to have the letter mean different thing in different contexts.
>
> A quick grep through Zoega doesn't show that an 'o' ever precedes
> an 'e', so one should be able to use 'oe' for the "oe" ligature
> without any ambiguity.
>
> Erich
>
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