From: sjuler
Message: 3428
Date: 2003-08-04
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> Hi Sjur,
>
> You wrote:
>
> <Since Latin has been a spoken language in
> <the church and in the academical world anyway, there is no problem
> <make such a learning tape.As
>
> Precisely, but this has little to do with reconstructive phonology.
> you pointed out Latin was used as an academic, administrative andsacred
> language to this day, but in its various national pronunciations.and
> Nowadays many Latin teachers follow more closely the reconstructed
> attested pronunciation of the classical or "golden" Latin period.This I
> find preferable. Of course it always comes down to the reader beingable
> to emulate these sounds and give a rough approximation of whatit "could
> have sounded like". This can also be done for Old Norse, as nosingle
> variety of modern Scandinavian is phonologically so conservative tohave
> retained a general character of Old Norse. Even Icelandic, which hasmention
> undergone tremendous changes since the Old Norse period, not to
> the scarcely attested Viking period.academic
>
> <I don't know Ancient Greek to well to say anything about it, but I
> <assume that it has no natural offspring.
>
> I suppose one could call the "Katheravousa" variety of Greek an
> a offspring of Old Greek. In the past 30 years this variety has beento
> largely replaced by the "Dimotiki" "the people's language" (i.e.
> Standard Modern Greek). Katheravousa is used only in the judicial
> language, in universities and a few newspapers. Most of the Greek
> emigrants throughout the world still feel that "Katheravousa" ought
> be standard Greek and deplore the switch to Dimotiki. Off course theare
> pronunciation, like modern Latin is not like Old Greek, but it uses
> forms and lexical items found in the ancient language.
>
> <So, the reason that Old Norse is special is that
> <(1) It has a close offspring which can be "taped" instead,
> <(2) the amount of potential users is rather small since it is the
> <language of the Icelandic Sagas, not the root language of western
> <civilization.
>
> <(1) and (2) points in the direction that Old Norse learning tapes
> <quite uninteresting (just take a Modern Icelandic one instead).But,
> <I should point out that, personally, I like to reconstruct OldNorse
> <pronunciation.Icelandic
>
> <A question: If such an Old Norse learning tape would be recorded,
> <which nationality or region should the reader be from (i.e. what
> <accent should he have)? If we identify Old Norse with Old
> <it is obvious. I wouldn't make that identification. I would prefera
> <reader from my own region. A Scanian would prefer a Scanianreader. A
> <Gutlander would prefer a Gutlandic reader. A Finland-swede wouldSwedish,
> <prefer a Finland-Swedish reader. Etc.
>
> As a reconstructed Old Norse phonology would be unlike Finland-
> Gulandish or Scanian, it wouldn't matter where the speaker camefrom.
> S/he wouldn't even have to be Scandinavian.
>
> I'm sure it would be helpful to record Old Icelandic/Norse literary
> works and give a carefully reconstructed sound-guide to the
> reconstructed phonemes as well as the metre intended in recital. I
> disagree with you on your latter point.
>
> I can recommend the CD "Edda - Myths from Medieval Iceland" by
> Sequentia, sung recordings of part of the Edda using a reconstructed
> Norse phonemic system.
>
> Dan
>
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