--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "sjuler" <sjuler@...> wrote:

> "Can you say:
>
> <Hann sem er spakr> ?"

No, for it is not a complete sentence in itself. 'Hann' is a proper
subject and 'sem er spakr' a subordinate clause describing 'hann'.
The subject of an insubordinate clause requires a verb as a member
of the same clause to form a complete sentence. However, the words
'hann, sem er spakr' could occur in response to a preceeding line
where the verb of the insubordinate clause occurs, thus eliminating
the need to restate the action. This could occur in conversation.

> In my eyes this is perfectly legal. Actually, it looks very much

like modern Swedish to me

>
> 'Han som är spaker.'

'Han är spaker' sounds more like a complete sentence to my hears,
but perhaps Swedish differs in this respect.

> but a more correct Swedish translation would be
>
> 'Den som spaker är.'

The Norse equivalent, 'Sá (sem er spakr)...', would be an incomplete
sentence, requiring at least a verb. Depending on whether a verb is
transitive or intransitive, a sentence may also require an object.

Regards,
Konrad.

> Sjuler
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> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Ryan Prohaska"
> <daniel@...> wrote:
> > Can you say:
> >
> > <Hann sem er spakr> ?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Lewis, Raymond J. [mailto:lewisrj@...]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2003 17:45
> > An: 'norse_course@yahoogroups.com'
> > Betreff: [norse_course] Question on a single clause
> >
> > I have a question regarding something that's been bugging me for
> some
> > time.
> >
> > Let's say that I want to say something like this:
> >
> > he who is wise.
> >
> > Now - I have some idea of what each of these words are in ON.
> >
> > he = hann
> > who = er
> > is = er
> > wise = spakr.
> >
> > A literal translation, then, looks like:
> >
> > hann er er spakr.
> >
> > However, no matter how I juggle these words around - I just

don't

> like
> > it -
> > and I'm led
> > to the conclusion that I should be using inverted order:
> >
> > hann er spakr er (he who wise is).
> >
> > Can some good soul, out there, shed some light upon this issue?
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> >
> >
> >
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