SV: Re: Amláib - Arnleif(r)?

Heill, Dan,

"An interesting hypothesis, but I'm 99.9% certain it's Old Irish."

A priori, I am 99.9% certain that it is not Old Norse (and perhaps
10% certain that it is not Proto-Norse).


"The acute accent is the same as in ON, it indicates a long vowel."

Finally! I have been thinking about this acute accent in Irish for
some time. It seems like an acute/grave accent has different
functions as a diacritic in different languages. In some languages it
is related to the tone, in some it is related to the stress, in some
to the length and in some it is just there for an odd reason (like
North Sami, Icelandic etc).


Skål,

Sjulr

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Bray <dbray@...> wrote:
> Heill Sjuler,
>
> An interesting hypothesis, but I'm 99.9% certain it's Old Irish.
Perhaps
> Simon could give us some context for the reference, that could help
us
> solve this question?
>
> The acute accent is the same as in ON, it indicates a long vowel.
>
> Kveðja,
>
> Dan
>
> sjuler wrote:
>
> >I agree with the fact that AMLÁIB is not Old Norse. But it may be
> >Proto-Norse. Indeed, Old Norse ÓLÁFR comes from Proto-Norse
> >ANULAIBAZ. In accusative we have ANULAIB. This resembles AMLÁIB,
> >doesn't it? If AMLÁIB - or more conveniently written AMLAIBAZ, was
> >Proto-Norse, the Old Norse version would be AMLEIFR, I think. I
don't
> >know what the prefix AM- should refer to, though.
> >
> >If the prefix AM- should really be ARN- (note that 'm' and 'rn'
can
> >be mixed up in some fonts), the Proto-Norse name is ARNLAIBAZ,
which,
> >of course, becomes ARNLEIFR in Old Norse.
> >
> >It should be notes that often the Proto-Norse diphtong AI became
Á,
> >which explains why the Proto-Norse suffices -LAIBAZ, -LAIKAZ etc.
> >became -LÁFR, -LÁKR etc. in ÓLÁFR, ÞORLÁKR etc.
> >
> >One question about Irish: Exactly what does the acute accent ´
mean?
> >In what sense do AMLÁIB and *AMLAIB differ?
> >
> >Sjul ('Victory guardian')
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Bray <dbray@...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Heill Simon,
> >>
> >>Well, the piece you´re reading is wrong. Amláib is not Norse, but
> >>
> >>
> >an Old
> >
> >
> >>Irish approximation of the Norse name Óláfr. In Modern Irish it
> >>
> >>
> >would be
> >
> >
> >>spelled Amhláibh, and a very crude rendering into English
> >>
> >>
> >pronunciation
> >
> >
> >>would be "Owlahv".
> >>
> >>Kveðja,
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>simonfittonbrown@... wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>Apparently this is another name for Óláfr inn hvíti.
> >>>According to the piece I'm reading, it says it's Norse, but it
> >>>
> >>>
> >doesn't
> >
> >
> >>>look very Norse to me, and would seem to be completely devoid of
> >>>meaning in Old Norse.
> >>>Or is it?
> >>>All the best,
> >>>Simon
> >>>
> >>>
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