From: sjuler
Message: 3204
Date: 2003-06-09
>Norse
> Thanks Siurdar,
>
> Of course the <-r> was NOT silent. Why would they write it in Old
> then? And how come the distribution of actually pronounced <-ur> inmany
> Icelandic is almost identical to where <-r> in On is recorded?
>
> The silent <-r>-theory is bogus.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> Hôker, in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/norse_course/message/1670
> you write:
>
> "P.S. The 'r' ending was eventually dropped
> in the continental Scandinavian languages;
> but it was dropped in the spelling as well
> as in the pronunciation."
>
> I agree with you that the spelling dropped this, evidently. But
> many dialects still have the 'r' ending for, at least, adjectives.(ON 'Sigurdhr')
> Like in Icelandic and Faroese, a "svarabakti" is inserted, though.
>
> Some examples:
> Dalecarlian: 'ien glyr syö' (ON 'hlýr sjór'),
> Gutnish: 'ann langgar dag' (ON 'langr dagr'),
> Smallandic: 'en tunger stoin' (ON 'thungr steinn')
>
> Even Bornholmish have the '-er' ending: 'enj långer manj' ('langr
> madhr').
>
> My dialect (Western Jamtlandic) had this ending in some names until
> 18th century, like in Önder (ON 'Eyvindr'), 'Sjuler'
> etc.Sometimes
> Today, ON 'hlýr sjór' would become 'n gly n sjö', instead.
> we add an extra n in the masculine case where there was an 'r':modern
> 'Artun n dag de henne' - 'This is a nice day' (Pl imp), but
> 'Hu e e artu e stolkja' - 'She is a nice girl'
>
> One strange think about the 'silent r theory' is that how the
> Scandinavian languages can have the 'r' ending (as 'ur', 'ar', 'er'
> etc), when it was silent back in ON times. That really puzzles me.
>
>
> /Siurdar
>
>
> --- Å norse_course@yahoogroups.com, Haukur Thorgeirsson
> <haukurth@...> skrivde:
>
> > O, silent R, thou comest back to haunt me!
> >
> > This seems to be some particular SCA-misunderstanding. :)
> > In reality the 'r' ending in Old Norse is not silent at all
> > and the name Snæbjörn does not have an r-ending. If your
> > 'herald' isn't okay with that tell him to talk to me ;)
> >
> > You can search the archives for more on this; here's one example:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/norse_course/message/1670
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > I'm glad if someone has made use of my name-list.
> >
> > Kveðja,
> > Haukur
> >
> >
> > Hinn 06. júní 2003 lét Mark Grass þetta frá sér fara:
> > > The silent "r" was added after checking the name
> > > through several SCAdian heralds and discovering it was
> > > another way to spell it. I would like to send my
> > > thanks and the thanks of half of the newbies in the
> > > Shire of Coppertree along to you though. Most of us
> > > have names that we found on your list! It has proven
> > > most helpful in naming new Vikings for our Shire. And
> > > I actually have a copy of your list copied as a word
> > > file so that I can access it when needed. Thank you
> > > very much for that list once more.
> > > Snaebjornr
>
>
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