Heill �skar!
--- �skar Gu�laugsson <hr_oskar@...> wrote:

>
> > > "Hinn mikli h�sk�li Reykjav�kur"
> >
> > So you put the locus (Reykjav�k) in the
> nominative?
> > Strange.
>
> No Keth; "v�k" is a strong feminine noun, whose
> genitive is "v�kur".
>

ok I should hav thought of that.
But since -ur endings are something I associate with
MI
and gennerally masc endings, I didn't check.
Buit of course v�k is fem. in Norw, too.
btw, in German it is "die Schule" (fem.)
and not masc as I hurriedly stated. However in
norw.\it is masc.

> When I wrote the phrase "fr� hafsins", I had
> actually looked it
> > up in the Old Norse dictionary. And it says that
> when fr� is
> > used for localisation, it governs the genitive
> case. But I
> > suppose that is only in Old Norse, because the
> genitive was
> > used more frequently back then, in Old Norse.
>
> I don't know what the dictionary told you or how you
> (mis)interpreted

I asked you some time ago what dictionary you are
using
when you want to check things in Old Norse. That would

be useful to know, because then I can check it out
for myself. Then I'll know where you are getting your
information from.

> it. Whichever way, "fr�" rules dative and not
> genitive, whether in
> Modern Icelandic or Old Norse. Besides, "fr�" is
> used in only one
> way, ablative, and not for any localization. How
> could "fr�",
> meaning "from" (the English cognate), be locative?
> Also, no

"locativ" was only my attempt to translate the norw.
dictionary description. I thereby meant "from a
certain
location or better: farm"

"B. m. gen.
fr� garden eller staden der ein er: koma fr� konungs,
fr� kongen; sjeldnare i tyding A 7: �etta var flutt
fr� hans (fortalt om han)." (Heggstad et al. pagina
123)

> preposition that rules genitive can rule something
> else; prepositions
> that can rule two different cases always rule either
> accusative or
> dative, with allative and locative meanings,
> respectively.
>
>
> Keth, I wonder why you keep lapsing into
> "teacher-mode", writing long
> passages of dubious pedagological value, often about

You say in your course that the goal is to become
independent and be able to study on ones own.
That means that it is of value to dicuss the normal
tools that everyone uses.

Please regard everything I say as a question.

> something I and
> most students already know, or don't have much use
> for knowing. It's
> not that I'm going to disapprove and edit out what
> you write. I just
> honestly think you should approach these things
> differently. The
> truth is, you don't know Old Norse in any practical
> sense; I must

true

> concur with Eysteinn - you're "at sea"!

Eysteinn is an entirely different story.

At times he can present very valuable information,


There's no

> shame in that, of
> course, for that's why we're all here. But while
> you're a student
> here, it would be more appropriate for you to let
> the teachers do the
> teaching, and for you to do the asking and studying.
>

I am not trying to teach. I am just presenting
information as I perceive it. If contradctions are
found, then that would seem to me as a valuable
starting point for discussion/clarification. Don't
you agree? Are you using Cleasby Vigfusson?

Best regards
Keth


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