From: dgkilday57
Message: 71693
Date: 2014-02-15
---In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <gpiotr@...> wrote:W dniu 2010-02-16 03:09, dgkilday57 pisze:
> The 'dive' group of words above is generally considered related to theAnd Slavic *dUno < *dHub(H?)nom. Note that there is no secure evidence
> 'deep' group, which is well represented in Germanic. Here we have Gothic
> <diups>, ON <dju:pr>, OE <de:op>, Old Frisian <dia:p>, Old Saxon <diop>,
> <diap>, and Old High German <tiuf>, <tiof> 'deep', from which Gmc.
> *deupaz and Indo-European *dHeub- are readily inferred. An /o/-grade
> Gmc. causative *daupjan 'to dip, immerse' is reflected in Goth.
> <daupjan>, ON <deypa>, Faeroese <doypa>, OE <di:epan>, OFrs <de:pa>, OS
> <do:pian>, and OHG <touffan>. Outside Germanic we have Lithuanian
> <dubùs> 'deep, hollow', <daubà> 'gorge', and Old Church Slavic <dUbrI>
> 'gorge'.
for Winterian lengthening in this word-family in Balto-Slavic, which
would favour *dHeubH- over *dHeub-. Modern revisions of Kluge's Law
suggest nasal assimilation with degemination after a heavy nucleus, so
the 'deep' group could reflect something like *dHeuP-nó-, where P = any
labial, and in particular *dHeubH-nó- (a vr.ddhied adjectival derivative
of *dHubH-nó-). Parallel examples include *xWi:taz < (possibly) *k^weitnó-.
Piotr
Common Germanic degemination in this position is ruled out by Romance borrowings from Gothic *taikka wk.m. 'sign' (REW 8534), formally from PIE *doik^-nón-. The strong base, Gmc. *taikk(a)- < PIE *doik^-nó-, evidently underwent degemination when a consonant immediately followed in derivatives, thus *taikkna- > *taikna- > Go. _taikn_, OE _ta:c(e)n_ 'token', *taikkjanaN > *taikjanaN 'show, instruct, teach'.
An example attested fully within Germanic is Swabian _to,@k_ 'fruit-dough', inflected _to,@ke_, in which -k- requires Gmc. *-kk- in *daikka- < PIE *dHoig^H-nó- (F. Kauffmann, PBB 12:505, 1887).
As for Gmc. *xWi:taz 'white', Skt. _s'vindate_ 'shines' shows that the root in question can be *k^weid-. The true KL form *xWittaz is apparently reflected in OFris _hwit_ and LG _witt_, but of course this can continue PIE *k^wid-nó-. Thus 'white' provides no compelling parallel for 'deep' as a possible vr.ddhi-formation with normal grade and KL.
If Gmc. *deupaz indeed comes from *dHeubH-, it probably requires some kind of analogical process to restore normal grade after *daup- or *dup- was extracted from KL derivatives like *daup(p)na- or *dup(p)na-. I have not been clever enough to think of a detailed scenario. It seems simpler to go with *dHeub- as the root.
DGK