Re: Substrate language which contributed sarSapa to Indo Aryan

Dear Mr.Shivraj,

Thanks for your kind wishes.

Regarding your citation that Pāvāṇar says that Tholkāppiyar being a Sanskrit grammarian committed a mistake by creating a rule which forbids Tamil words beginning with "ச" ca/sa, I would like to state that he is not all a Sanskrit grammarian.

He is a Tamil grammarian and studied grammar of Tamil Country. See

செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு

முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணிப் (சிறப்புப் பாயிரம்)

Even panambāranār (பனம்பாரனார்) has mentioned that மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி. Tholkāppiyar has merely shown/followed the traditional writing system causing no confusion and deviation.

Therefore there is no such forbiddance rule which was self imposed by Tholkāppiyar. He never committed any mistake so as to forbid Tamil words beginning with "ச" ca/sa.

I wish to reiterate that all south Indian (both poetic and colloquial versions) languages never followed that illogical non existed forbidding Sutra. There is no such rule in any Indian languages including Sanskrit. There is no logic/reason behind it.

There is no evidence that he maliciously did so, since Tamil words always start with "ச" ca/sa similar to those க ka, த ta, ந na, ப pa, and ம ma.

cakarak kiḷaviyum avaṟṟō raṟṟē

avai au eṉum oṉṟalaṅ kaḍaiyē

சகரக் கிளவியும் அவற்றோ ரற்றே

அவை ஒள எனும் ஒன்றலங்கடையே

Kindly, look at the word avaṟṟōraṟṟē (அவற்றோரற்றே). It will throw light on the definition of ச ca/sa by Tholkāppiyar.

I wish to emphasise that Pāvāṇar was greatly influenced by the Brahminical lies/concocted stories like Tholkāppiyar (a pupil of Agastiya) was a Brahmin and wrote a Tamil grammar based upon Sanskrit Grammar, etc. Like others, he too wrongly reduced the extent/governance/coverage of Tholkāppiyam, without considering the Chera Kingdom, i.e. present day Kerala. I accept that it is merely a human error.

I honour both Tholkāppiyar and Pāvāṇar for their sincere efforts to safeguard Tamil interest against the Sanskrit Terrorism/infiltration and to ensure Tamil as Independent, classical and living language unlike other Indian languages depending upon Sanskrit and Saffron stories.

With kind regards,

రవి இரவி Ravi