Re: Substrate language which contributed sarSapa to

Dear Jyothibabu,

In this post: (http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/cybalist/conversations/messages/71476) I wrote:

You may have overlooked Bhadriraju Krishnamurthy because he said exactly the same thing that I wrote. Not sure about other scholars. Here is a quote from his book "Telugu Verbal Bases: UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS (1961) ASIN B00A8O1VW4 Page 139":

" ...Tamil drops an Indo-aryan s, initial as well as medial. "

Then he gives exactly the same example that I gave !

From the same page 139 I quote:

"E.g., Ta. Ayiram, Ka. sAsira, sAvira, Tu. sAvira, sAra thousand < IA sahasra-: .">

As anyone can see I have given the page number 139, and other details of the book.

Now in your post below you assert:

"Anybody who has read Krishnamurti’s “Telugu Verbal bases” will not write what Mr. Shivraj wrote. It looks to me that he took the quotation from secondary sources."

Did you not find what I quoted from Page 139 of Telugu Verbal Bases?

On what basis are you asserting that my quotation is from secondary sources when infact everything about the primary source is given?

Regards,

Shivraj

---In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <jyoti585858@...> wrote:

>It wasn't claimed that Krishnamurthy suggested
an etymology for _sarSapa_. Moreover, the etymology proposed here doesn't derive the word from Tamil, but from _some_ Dravidian source. Therefore, the *Tamil* loss of initial Proto-Dravidian *c is irrelevant to the suggested etymology.

Anybody who has read Krishnamurti’s “Telugu Verbal bases” will not write what Mr. Shivraj wrote. It looks to me that he took the quotation from secondary sources. That is precisely why I humbly concede that I am “incompetent” to discuss Dravidian grammar with him.

-Jyothi

---In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:

In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <shivkhokra@...> wrote:

> Dear Jyothibabu,
> You are putting words in Bhadriraju's mouth. Please show us with a proper reference where he comes up with derivation of Sarson (mustard) that you invented.

It wasn't claimed that Krishnamurthy suggested an etymology for _sarSapa_. Moreover, the etymology proposed here doesn't derive the word from Tamil, but from _some_ Dravidian source. Therefore, the *Tamil* loss of initial Proto-Dravidian *c is irrelevant to the suggested etymology.

Richard.