Re: Substrate language which contributed sarSapa to

From: cewhalen
Message: 71511
Date: 2013-11-06

> However earlier I have argued that the word ‘zarkara’
> (=sugar/brown sugar) is derived from ‘karkara’ via
> ‘carkara’. This is another example for similar change –
> ka > ca.

I can't agree w this particular example.  In:

  krokále: = pebble G; çárkara:- = gravel/grit/pebbles AV S;
  sakkhara:- = sugar Pa:;

an exact corr. is seen from IE * kYrókala: (w earlier accent
seen in króke: = pebble G; which must shift forward in Greek
due to final long V).

This must be kept separate for now from those from IE * k- :

  karkara- = hard/firm S;

  karkaça- = hard/firm/rough/harsh S;

which go w:

  kraterós \ karterós = strong G; * kar.tina- > kat.hina =
  rough/harsh/stiff Pa:;

(also showing met. in kra- / kar-)

w the same range of meaning as (related):

  hardus Go; hard E; kratús = strong G; karcr = hard Ar;

none of which show kY > cY > c^ / s^ / s / etc.

From IE to In-Ir there are apparent cases in which kY > cY
did not occur, now mostly seen in loans. Apart from Bangani,
there is:

  kraggó:n = crab G; horn = horn/corner ON; corn = drinking
  horn OIr; çr,´Nga- = horn S; surùng = horn Khow;


  kuluNgá-s / kulaNgá-s / kuraNga-s = antelope S;


(w horn/horned animal in both:


  çr,´Nga- = horn S; {kraNgó:n} kraggó:n = crab G;

  surùng = horn Khow; ? >> kuluNgá-s = antelope S;

)

However, going beyond currently accepted corr., the oddity
of:

  krókai \ krókkai (p) Hsch = pebbles G;


makes:

  króke: \ krokále: = pebble G;

  kókkos = kernel/grain/seed, kókkalos = kernel of a pine
  cone G;

seem to indicate older:

*

  krókka: \ krókkala:
  kókkos \ kókkalos

perhaps from

*

  króxka: \ króxkala:
  kórxkos \ kórxkalos

and if:

  sosna = pine Slav; kókkalos = kernel of a pine cone G;

is valid it leaves open the possibility of xY and met.
(already seen in met. of r) with kxY > kx or kYxY , etc.