Re: Portuguese, Spanish bode "buck"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@...> wrote:

>
> > It seems to me that Schrijver, Kroonen, and their ilk should be
> > putting more effort into identifying and characterizing

Indo-European

> > substrate languages before shoehorning everything without an obvious
> > etymology in attested languages into a Pre-IE substrate.
>
> Contrarily to Beekes, which (rather naïvely) considers Pre-Greek to
> be a *single* language, I think they're several substrates, both IE

and

> non-IE. One of these is Georgiev's "Pelasgian", roughly equivalent to
> your "West Pontic". Unfortunately, one can't expect these an other
> ortodox IE-ists to made significant advances unless there's a change

of

> paradigm in IE studies.
>

For example, in his Greek etymological dictionary, Beekes considers
íde: 'wood, wooded hill' to be a "Pre-Greek word without further
etymology", when Georgiev and surely many of us see this is a non-native
reflex of IE *widh-u- 'wood'.