Re: Stacking up on standard works

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 71083
Date: 2013-03-13

It's the very comparison askhetos : azgata- that is wrong. If I
write an observation on askhetos (as in this case), it only applies to
askhetos, not to azgata-, except in that it invalidates any
consideration based on such comparison (as the alleged /e/-grade of
-at-). Se, remembering me the sound law "gYH > z in Iran. regardless
of vowel" (which we all perfectly know, thank You) is pointless,
because it presupposes Your comparison holds true, which is falsified
by the meaning of the Greek word.
To use Your own expression, "The same kind of thing ... applies
for skhétlios G", which means 'able to resist' and is also from
*seg'h-.
As for "ks.atríya- S" and it base ks.aya- 'dominate', You can
fruitfully find a new etymology from *h3kWs-eye- 'control', iterative
of h3ekWs- 'perceive' (as an alternative to the traditional comparison
with Greek kt'aomai), in Reiner Lipp, Die indogermanischen und
einzelsprachlichen Palatale im Indoiranischen. Band II Thorn-Problem,
indoiranische Laryngalvokalisation (Heidleberg, Universitaetsverlag
Winter, 2009, ISBN 978-3-8253-5248-6), 299-309. The reply to Your
"depending on when met. occurred" is therefore that no "met." has ever
occurred

2013/3/13, cewhalen <cewhalen@...>:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
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>> Anyway there's no labio-velar in Greek askhetos, it's negative *n- +
>> zero-grade of *seg'h- (note its meaning: "that cannot be kept", not
>> "without strength")
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> Then the -g- in azgata- = not to be held in Av; wouldn't be expl. ( gYH >
> z in Iran. regardless of vowel). The same kind of thing could apply for
> skhétlios G; : ks.atríya- S; depending on when met. occurred.
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>> 2013/3/13, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>:
>> > There's no proof that it's in fact the same word; an /o/-grade would
>> > be equally possible
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>> > 2013/3/13, cewhalen <cewhalen@...>:
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>> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> >> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
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>> >>> 2013/3/12, cewhalen <cewhalen@>:
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>> >>> > eu-thené:s = in abundance G; yo-gn = numerous/abundant Ar; a:-hanás-
>> >>> > =
>> >>> > swelling S; a:-ganis^ = full P;
>> >>> > (note Ar shows opt KW>Kw before K() > KY / _ e )
>> >>> > (note Pers shows opt KW retained not K() > KY / _ e )
>> >>> > or
>> >>> > (note Ar and Pers show opt KWe>ö>o )
>> >>> >
>> >>> > or
>> >>> >
>> >>> > * sgWHeno+ > sthénos = strength, * n-sgWHeto+ > áskhetos G; azgata-
>> >>> > =
>> >>> > not to
>> >>> > be held in Av;
>> >>> > (note G shows opt KW>K/T / _ e (or dia.))
>> >>> > (note Av shows opt KW retained not K() > KY / _ e )
>> >>> > or
>> >>> > (note Ar and Pers show opt KWe>ö>o )
>> >>> >
>> >>> (...)
>> >>>
>> >>> *Bhr.: would You exclude simple /o/-ablaut in Armenian, Persian, and
>> >>> Avestan?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it's the exact same word. Which have -o-etos ?
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