Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > > > A similar case would be IE *penkWe- '5' ~ NEC *fimk?wV 'fist'. If I'm not mistaken, Petr suggested that Starostin's f should be replaced by X\W or XW.
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> > > What are the attested words on which this NEC reconstruction is based?
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> > See here: http://newstar.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?single=1&basename=/data/cauc/caucet&text_number=1008&root=config
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> > > Can we rigorously exclude a borrowing from Gothic?
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> > Definitely.
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> Very interesting. The phoneme *f is relatively rare, and the correspondences for this lexeme are regular. That does not exclude borrowing from an IE source after the breakup of Proto-NEC. Other than Gothic, the source might be Armenian, since the anlaut-development was probably *p- > *pH- > *f- > *x- > h-.
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Or pH / h / 0 or w (or h / y before old front V (xW > xY like gWH > gYH first, etc.).


That would likely mean orig. m (as shown by m, > w, > u in puxDa-) not n ; the presence of m in most high # (or, as it could be analyzed, otherwise unclear NC in '5', m/n in '9') would make it likely part of the IE plural (with met. sometimes, like in nasal present verbs).

> Is there a way to display the other PNEC lexemes which Starostin reconstructs with the relatively rare initial *f-,
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Yes:

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\cauc\caucet&first=1&off=&text_proto=f&method_proto=substring&ic_proto=on&text_meaning=&method_meaning=substring&ic_meaning=on&text_nakh=&method_nakh=substring&ic_nakh=on&text_aand=&method_aand=substring&ic_aand=on&text_cez=&method_cez=substring&ic_cez=on&text_lak=&method_lak=substring&ic_lak=on&text_darg=&method_darg=substring&ic_darg=on&text_lezg=&method_lezg=substring&ic_lezg=on&text_khin=&method_khin=substring&ic_khin=on&text_abad=&method_abad=substring&ic_abad=on&text_comment=&method_comment=substring&ic_comment=on&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto&ic_any=on

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to see if any other resemblances to IE lexemes jump off the page?

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I already did that for f (and others) years ago. The important thing for this question if f- in '5'.


I rec. something like:

* qW'XWwimkW'xWwiXYa > * fimk'wi?a

which doesn't help in answering exactly what f was (f / F / pF / pXW ??) since XW and others could change opt., with many options in clusters.