Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 70995
Date: 2013-02-26

falcons in Delaware are very common and tend to be reddish and/or beige but I don't know what European falcons look like although the ones used for hunting look brownish-beige-grayish (pardo --in the original sense of gray or brown). So if falcons are grayish-brown and if they contrast with other birds of prey then maybe Watkins may be right --but only if the lx squares

--- On Mon, 2/25/13, Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...> wrote:

From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
Subject: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?
To: "cybalist@yahoogroups.com" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 9:24 PM

 

A falcon would be "grey" in contrast to what bird? Eagle, hawk, raven, kite? In Latin birds of prey were called aquila, accipiter, acceptor, bu:teo:, miluus, vultur, ?astur. In Greek, aietos, hierax, mermnos, kirkos, morphnos, iktinos.

JS Lopes


De: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 25 de Fevereiro de 2013 23:07
Assunto: Re: [tied] Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

 


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister wrote:
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> If falco were of Germanic origin, it would be from a word for "gray", right? 

I believe that is Watkins' view, but I do not have the AHD with me. One problem with _falco:_ is that it is attested only late.

DGK

> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, dgkilday57 wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" wrote:
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> > > Sorry, message was truncated. It was a question:
> > > volcae, sg. volca < *volka(s) < *wlkWos ???
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> More likely nom./acc. pl. *-a:s (historically second declension) was adapted into Latin as first decl. (masc.) as with Belgae, Celtae.
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> > As I mentioned before, this etynmology makes little sense as a native Celtic word, so Delamarre links Gaulish uolco- to Latin falco: 'hawk'.
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> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/69567
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> That makes even less sense, since _falco:_ (if not of Gmc. origin, which Watkins favors but I find improbable) belongs with _falx_ 'sickle', cognate with Liguro-Latin _daculum_ (Fr. _daille_ etc.) and Sicel _zagkle:_, earlier *dagkle: (on coins Dagkleion, later Z-), both showing dissimilation from *dalklom. These require a *dH-anlaut which would appear in Celtic as *d- also.
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> But if Xavier has convinced himself that Uolcos means 'Hawk', it would be futile to argue with him.
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> DGK
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