Re: Italo-Celtic dialect base words?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" wrote:

> > In my view OE _feolufer_, _filfor_ etc. 'type of marine bird' has nothing to do with ML _porphyrio_, but is based on the disyllabic root for 'ceremonial axe' *pelekW- and formed on the same basis as 'pelican', based on the shape of the bird's bill. This is an example of the labial being more than one syllable away.
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> Most rec. *pelekYu-, so you'd need to explain more. For me, in:
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> pélekus (m) = (double-edged) ax G; paraçú- (m) = hatchet/ax RV, párçu- (m) = rib/curved knife/sickle AV S; ? >> paRak = rib/side Ar;
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> shows an In-Ir * paracYú \ parakWú >> paRak = rib/side Ar;
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> which makes older kWxY likely (since most words, if any ev. points either way, show -xYu not -u and show -txYu not -tu (including -i / -u alt.)).
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> Many other forms and related words make it even more complex.
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Also, as in:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/49945

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> Also, what is the current view on -k'u- > Greek -pp-? According to
> Sihler, the horse word is the only secure example. Any phonological
> reasons for this difference?

Preservation of the original segment count/syllable structure? I know no
independent examples of -kk-/-pp- in Greek, but -kk- for *-k(^)w- can be
supported with lákkos 'pond' < *lakw-o- and pélekkos 'axe-shaft',
pelekkáo: 'cut with an axe', both reflecting *pelek(^)w-, cf. pélekus
'axe' < pre-Gk. *pelek^u- (Skt. paras'u-).

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a simple original kW wouldn't seem to explain -kk- here, making a cluster necessary. It would also keep kWr from being the original (my -ir- < -imYxY- , etc.), though that might not matter for you depending on when opt. -i- > 0 in Gmc.


Others might be:

péleku (nu) = *stone > weight of 10 min, pélekus (m) = (double-edged) ax / bag in a children's game G;
vs
baluqa = stone in a game Bur;