From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70859
Date: 2013-01-31
Yes, I agree, it's just an attempt to find any clue. Xanthos/Xouthos display a non-IE doublet. If Xanthos is "Pre-Greek", to find a doublet anthropos/*outhropos would point the same dialectal origin.
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2013 14:52
Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'
Yes, of course; my question could be understood in this perspective: while /sk-/ is unexpected in some phonotactic environments in English (whence the welcome solution of a Scandinavian origin, from independently well attested languages), /-anthr-/ doesn't show any non-Greek outcome, does it?
2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>As I said, it's just a speculation, a vague possibility, a sugestion. For example, in ENglish many words with initial sk- have Scandinavian origin. Many Greek etnomyms has the -ops suffix, Dolopes, Dryopes, *Pelopes, that could be the same as -o:p- in anthro:pos.
JS LopesEnviadas: Quinta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2013 14:22
Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'
Is there anything particular in the sequence -anth(r)- as to suggest a separate dialectal origin?2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
I didn't say it! I didn't mean to explain panther and xanthos as cognates of anthropos. I've just included it as examples of word that could have the same dialectal origin. And I pointed the doublet -anth-/-outh- in xanthos/xouthos as a vague possibility for looking for dialectals variations of anthropos.
JS LopesEnviadas: Quinta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2013 13:43
Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'
I fail to imagine how one could explain /p-/ in panthe:r, /ks-/ in xanthos, /k-/ in kanthos etc.; as for *outhro:pos, good luck! Surely You'll find it
2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>I picked a bunch of words with same sequence (-anth-), maybe some of them have the same origin as word anthro:pos:
kantharos "beetle", panthe:r "leopard", xanthos "yellow, brown" (= xouthos), kanthos "eye's corner, akanthos "spine, thorn" It's interesting the alternation xanthos/xouthos, that doesn't seem IE (xouthos < *xonthos?). If we find a doublet *outhro:pos for anthro:pos? With -inth- there's minthos and plinthos. Kantharos akin to Skt gandha- "smell", in a sense of stinky insect?
JS Lopes
De: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>
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Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 30 de Janeiro de 2013 18:39
Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'
The people as against the Hero, pho:s
2013/1/30, Joao S. Lopes josimo70@...>:
> why man = looking dark?
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> W dniu 2013-01-30 12:39, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy pisze:
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>> 2. None of them: long /o:/ continues two or three PIE phonemes from
>> two different PIE morphemes,
>> *h2andhro- + *h3(o(:))kw-s (*h3kw- or *h3okw- or *h3o:kw- depends on
>> ablaut *in the position of final member of a compound*)
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> It's normally *-h3kW-o- in thematic formations. See *próti-h3kW-o-m
> 'face, front' > Skt. práti:ka- 'surface, face', Toch.B pratsa:ko
> 'chest', Gk. coll. próso:pe:. The long vowel in Tocharian and Greek
> comes from laryngeal breaking. See also *h2anti-h3kW-o- > Lat.
> anti:quus/anti:cus, Gmc. adjective-forming *-i:G-a- < *-i-h3kW-o-, etc.
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