Re: bidet

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 70690
Date: 2013-01-13

There was some Romance substrate underlying Aragonese. I've seen it labled as Mozarabic but I think that's an anachronic misnomer. Aragonese seems to be derived from a Castillian dialect with Basque and other substrates

--- On Sat, 1/12/13, Tavi <oalexandre@...> wrote:

From: Tavi <oalexandre@...>
Subject: [tied] Re: bidet
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2013, 9:40 AM

 
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" wrote:
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> I am not convinced that any separate Pyrenaic Romance is necessary, although your comments in another message indicate that Pyrenaic Basque should not be assigned to Roncalo-Souletin. Probably it belonged to the Navarrese group instead, extending eastward and making R-S an oasis of phonetic conservatism surrounded by Nav. dialects.
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Actually, the Bearnese area where stops are voiced after resonants is immediately *next* to the east of Souletin. The corresponding Aragonese area lies in a pocket between the Gállego and Cinca rivers.
 
> Since your Pyr. Rom. has phonological features characteristic of Basque (or at least of High Nav.) and requires a Basque or Vasconic substrate anyway, why not cut out the middleman and save? How un-Occamic to postulate two substrates when one will do!
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IMHO there's no way all these varieties (living or extinct) could be part of a single diasystem. A more appropriate model would be a creole continuum with several intermediate varieties (some of which eventually get decreolized) between Paleo-Basque (already fragmented in dialects) and Latin-Romance. Some linguists even think Castilian Spanish arose from that.