From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70347
Date: 2012-10-30
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
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>> I fail to see a palatalized result of /n/ in onddo (sorry) and don't
>> understand the formulation "in Western Romance, the phoneme N changed
>> into NY > nY > ñ": it would require at least a phonotactic restriction
>> (to intervocalic position?) and a heavy diatopic reduction (the most
>> widespread result is rather a velarization)
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> The most common change involves Latin gn (pronounced Nn), after gn- > n-,
> with Nn > NYn > nYn > nYnY > ññ . A form of Romance either had all Ng > NYg
> (later > Ng) too, with borrowing into Bq at the right time, or Bq was
> influenced by, but not exactly like, a neighboring Romance for this rule.
> It's the common spread of Y in Romance (ie, Spanish kt > kYt > kYtY > ytY >
> ycY (factum > hecho)) that indicates the change Ng > ndd resulted first from
> pal. of N, very common there; otherwise there's no rule in either with no
> good expl. of g > gY etc. by itself.
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>> 2012/10/29, stlatos <sean@...>:
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>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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>> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@> wrote:
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>> >> > This is very unlikely. Spanish pollo gives Basque oilo just as
>> >> > Romance
>> >> > fongo gives onddo (with expressive palatalization).
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>> >> I rejected that etymology before, and believers in "expressive
>> >> palatalization" need to explain why a mushroom would produce such a
>> >> demand
>> >> for expressivity in speakers that only palatalization could satisfy
>> >> it.
>> >> Are we talking about a MAGIC mushroom?
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>> > In Western Romance, the phoneme N changed into NY > nY > ñ . Since N
>> > was
>> > not a phoneme before k/g (but only classified as C+nasal, automatically
>> > acquiring the place of the following stop), it didn't change. However,
>> > in
>> > Bq, nasals weren't automatically given the place of the following stop.
>> > Therefore, Ng > nYg > nYgY > etc.
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>> > The existence of clusters like mX is seen in:
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>> > * XasYEmXálXi >
>> > Acenari = (name), azebari / azegari / azeri / azari Biz = fox Bq;
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