From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70240
Date: 2012-10-23
> Francesco:
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> Thanks for your information. What I've seen up to now on the Sindes and
> Mitanni Aryans has been very limited.
> Now, another quetion. Years ago, someone posted that there was some
> Indo-Aryan substrate evidence in Iranian, including areas taht are now
> southerm Iran, indicating that Indo-Aryans were there first. I forget who
> posted that, but it wasn't a crackpot. The person didn't follow up with any
> of the purported evidence, however.
> Anyone know anything about that?
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> From: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...>
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:32 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Witzel and Sautsutras (was: Mapping the Origins and
> Expansion of...)
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> --- In mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
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>> Now, taking into account that the Iranians once putatively
>> worshipped the Indian gods until sometime around the time of
>> Zoroaster -- or so I've read; and that the main difference with
>> Iranian seems to be initial /s-/. Is it possible that Mittani
>> Substrate and Sindes are descended from some branch that broke away
>> from proto-Iranian or from Indo-Iranian?
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> In my opinion, as well as that of most of Indo-Iranian specialists, it
> isn't. See the paper by Thomas Burrow, "The Proto-Indoaryans", which you can
> access through this message:
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> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/70232
> (read especially the first two or three pages)
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> A discussion on the Zoroastrian daevas (demons) known after Iranian names
> which are identical to those of certain Vedic gods (indra etc.) can be found
> at pp. 128ff. in Burrow's paper. His hypothesis is that these condemned
> daevas were never (Proto-)Iranian nor Proto-Indo-Iranian (= Proto-Aryan)
> gods, but were originally gods worshipped by Proto-Indo-Aryans who had
> settled in eastern Iran before the Iranians migrated to that region from
> northwestern Central Asia.
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> Kind regards,
> Francesco
>
> ________________________________
>> From: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...>
>> To: mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:30 AM
>> Subject: [tied] Re: Witzel and Sautsutras (was: Mapping the Origins and
>> Expansion of...)
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>> --- In mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@>
>> wrote:
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>> > An interesting place to look, which, I believe Torsten commented on
>> > is Crimea, for the Sindos-Meotians (vel sim). They seem to have IE
>> > vocabulary absent from Vedic. Their language also seem lambdic as
>> > opposed to Vedic rhotcisms. The term Sindos, however, seems to me an
>> > exonym, perhaps applied to them by peoples who identified them with
>> > peoples of the Indus/Sindhos valley. Has anyone done any serious
>> > indepth research on this group?
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>> Cyril (Kirill) Babaev, founder of this List, once had an online article
>> which also covered the topic of the so-called "Pontic Aryan" language(s)
>> and the former assessments of this question by Kretschmer and Trubachov.
>> It can be retrieved here:
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>> http://web.archive.org/web/20060712182124/http://indoeuro.bizland.com/archive/article17.html
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>> Sindes also is the name of a river (with persisting, pre-/non-Iranian s-)
>> mentioned by Tacitus (Annales X.10); it divides the Dahae from the Arii,
>> and thus refers to the Merw (Murghab) or Tedzhen river.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Francesco
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