Re: elementum

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70195
Date: 2012-10-15

Your reasons have been
"there's another possible explication".
OK.

I ask You:

is there anything irregular in Irene Balles' etymology?
With "irregular" I'm referring to sound-laws

2012/10/15, stlatos <sean@...>:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
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>> "There's no need" doesn't imply it isn't correct. Do You find that
>> etytmology wrong or at least possible (even if less probable than Your
>> one)?
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> An et. like:
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>> >> >> In Irene Balles' etymology they can be analyzed as related but
>> >> >> different
>> >> >> compounds:
>> >> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-n > sanguen
>> >> >> *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s > sanguis
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> doesn't make sense for many reasons; I've given a few. If you want more, I
> don't know what else could convince you.
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>> 2012/10/15, stlatos <sean@...>:
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>> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> > <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Sanguis has both -i- and -i:- in the nominative, so the etymology
>> >> does work for *-i-
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>> >
>> > There's no reason for a word ending in -is in L to become -i:s . The
>> > opp.
>> > isn't true; fem. -i: or -i:s in Skt corresponds to -is in L, making
>> > (prob.
>> > analogical to masc. -is , -us) change for all such likely in that
>> > direction.
>> > Therefore, a reason for older -i:s not -is must be found, especially
>> > since
>> > Old L showed -en or (in asser) -er for a word already known to be an
>> > r/n-stem (in Skt, etc.).
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>> >
>> >> 2) Irene Balles text (Lateinische sanguis "Blut", in Compositiones
>> >> Indogermanicae in memoriam Jochem Schindler. Herausgegeben von Heiner
>> >> Eichner und Hans Christian uschützky unter redaktioneller Mitwirkung
>> >> von Velizar Sadovski, S. 3-17) has precisely *-i-, so I had to report
>> >> it correctly
>> >> 3) In order to explain *-i-, a suffix *-in- would be a regular
>> >> explanation, since its function is comparable with the one of both
>> >> *-i- and *-n-.
>> >
>> >
>> > There's no reason for that middle -h1gw- in *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s.
>> > Compare
>> > iter, itineris (analogical for r/n-stem * iter, itinis), also with the
>> > nom.
>> > ending carried over into a long oblique. If it had later become X
>> > itiner,
>> > itineris , it would exactly parallel sanguen.
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>> > I do believe the IE word contained -in- at one stage, but so did all
>> > -mn
>> > and r/n-stems, which seldom show it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> This is meant as contribution to the discussion
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>> >
>> > Noted.
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