Re: elementum

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 70185
Date: 2012-10-12

1) Sanguis has both -i- and -i:- in the nominative, so the etymology
does work for *-i-
2) Irene Balles text (Lateinische sanguis "Blut", in Compositiones
Indogermanicae in memoriam Jochem Schindler. Herausgegeben von Heiner
Eichner und Hans Christian uschützky unter redaktioneller Mitwirkung
von Velizar Sadovski, S. 3-17) has precisely *-i-, so I had to report
it correctly
3) In order to explain *-i-, a suffix *-in- would be a regular
explanation, since its function is comparable with the one of both
*-i- and *-n-.

This is meant as contribution to the discussion

2012/10/12, stlatos <sean@...>:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> In Irene Balles' etymology they can be analyzed as related but different
>> compounds:
>> *h1sh2n-h1gw-n > sanguen
>> *h1sh2n-h1gw-i-s > sanguis
>>
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>
> L sangui:s has a long -i:- in the nom., so that doesn't work. Compare
> *welt > vult, *vels > vi:s. The -gw- should obviously be from IE gW since
> Sanskrit had -k. There are also many other problems with the above.
>
>
>> 2012/10/11 stlatos <sean@...>
>>
>
>> > Even if alapa was an Etruscan loanword, it wouldn't necessarily avoid
>> > weakening, since weakening occurred even in early loans from Greek,
>> > like
>> > balaneion >> balineum (also w/o preserved -a-, against your supposedly
>> > regular rule).
>> >
>> > An irregular rule is needed to show why accounts of OL show assara:tum
>> > =
>> > ~blood wine, but aser = blood. Even OL sanguen but L sangui:s suggest
>> > it
>> > goes far back if:
>> >
>> > *
>> > ashargW ashan+
>> > ashangW ashan+ (analogy; opt.)
>> > ashangW ashangW+ (analogy)
>> > ashan ashangW+
>> > ashangWan ashangW+ (analogy)
>> > ashangWan ashangWan+ (analogy)
>> > as_angWan
>> > asangWan
>> > sangWan
>> > sangWen
>> >
>> > sangWen
>> > sangWel (dis; opt.)
>> > sangWel+s (analogy)
>> > sangWels
>> > sangWeys
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