Re: What color is the Rother?

I'm no expert on British topos but Rutherford is /r@...@rd/ with a /dh/, I was assuming that Rother was /ra:D(r)/. Can someone confirm the pronunciation? Rutherford, as a surname, does have variants such as "Rudderford", "Redford", etc. I'm following the traditional explanation that it means "red ford"

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] What color is the Rother?

I was referring to the discussion about the Wye. Sorry for haven't
pointed it explicitly out. But please explain me the treatment of <th>
from */dh/; do You mean there's the same relationship with red as
between Lat. ruber and rutilus? Thank You in advance,

2012/10/10, Rick McCallister <mailto:gabaroo6958%40yahoo.com>:

> You're stumping me, Dude. Scots and N. English are very well attested and
> that's where *rother "red" would most likely come from, e.g. SE Scots topo
> Rutherford --although some claim that it's from Flemish immigrants who
> settled there. Evidently there is a very similar topo in Flanders, at least
> according to the genealogists who studied my g-g-gmother's family
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> What's more probable - the survival in Celtic of a good PIE formation or
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> 2012/10/10 dgkilday57 <mailto:dgkilday57%40yahoo.com>
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>>The river Rother of Derbyshire (Roder, -ir, -yr, -ur 13th cent., Rudde
>> 1330, Rodelle 1330, Rother 1577) is explained by Ekwall (English
>> River-Names 348) as 'chief river', British *dubro- 'water' with intensive
>> *ro- from *pro-. Cameron (Place-Names of Derbyshire 15) agrees with this
>> analysis but suggests 'great river' as a better translation.
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>>I have never been there, but maps suggest that the Rother is not a
>> particularly great river, nor the chief river of Derbyshire. Also, the
>> contraction of the name required is rather violent, since Dubris is still
>> Dover. I wonder whether the meaning of Rother is rather 'red', a rhotic
>> extension of zero-grade *h1rudH- as in Greek and Latin (or with an
>> intervening laryngeal in Sanskrit).
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>>I cannot find such a Celtic formation in Matasovic', but this name need not
>> be Celtic. In disagreeing with Ekwall on the Wye, Jackson considered a
>> Celtic etymology unlikely and pointed out that there were people in
>> Britain before the Celts.
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>>But if the Rother is green, it will embarrass my explanation.
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>>DGK
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