Re: Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > In principle the *Ad- could represent either full-grade or zero-
> > grade of *h2ad- or *h4ad-. I suspect that the root is indeed
> > represented in Sanskrit, forming the suppletive inst. pl. <adbhis>
> > and dat./abl. pl. <adbhyas> of <ap-> 'water'. (Or perhaps the
> > suppletion was in the opposite direction, due to bizarre regular
> > forms of a C-stem *ad-?)
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> b in Vedic Sanskrit adbhis, adbhyas has long been thought to arise through assimilation to the following voiced consonant (*ap-bhis > *ab-bhis > adbhis). An analogous dissimilation pattern is also seen at work in the dat.pl. of Vedic Sanskrit napa:t- 'grandson', i.e. nadbhyas (< *napt-bhyas).

But that is not quite parallel. Since the zero-grade of 'foot' in compounds, *-pd-, becomes -bd-, we should expect *napt-bhyas to become *nabdbhyas first. The attested form <nadbhyas> would then result from loss of -b- through cluster simplification, not dissimilation.

I have seen several other attempts to explain the adbhis-adbhyas problem going back to K.F. Johannsen, and have found none of them convincing, so I think root-suppletion is a valid option here. After all, we do have this root in Avestan <aDu->.

> > I could not access the paper arguing for a Germanic origin of the
> > Oder (within the old post cited by Francesco), but the idea sounds
> > dubious to me, and I think we do have an OEH name.
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> The article mentioning the Germanic etymology of the name Oder, supposedly deriving from a PIE root *e:der-, has in the meantime been moved to this url:
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> http://www.phil.muni.cz/plonedata/wkaa/BSE/BSE_1969-08_Scan/BSE_08_26.pdf
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> It credits Kluge for postulating that the name Oder (= 'water vein') belongs here.

Thank you very much. I made a printed copy and will study it when I get home.

DGK