From: dgkilday57
Message: 69971
Date: 2012-08-14
>The Verscharfung observed in Crimean Gothic <ada> 'egg' and the like has been explained by Lehmann as resulting from a laryngeal clustered with the yod, and I know of no other satisfactory mechanism. Rather than two ad-hoc assumptions, I would first look at different derivational suffixes to the same root. But the real problem with the Celtic forms is the short */a/, and if Matasovic''s proposal of analogical shortening is right, other examples should be out there.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Ton Sales <ton.sales@> wrote:
> >
> > I've been examining in detail what I told you Coromines had to say
> about
> > gladius, and I now see I was completely misled. When he says the word
> > may come directly from a Sorothaptic *klauiios he's not speaking of
> > Celtic kladios (> Lat. gladius > Cat. gladi) but of a postulated
> origin
> > *glavius for French glaive.
> >
> IMHO the French word would rather reflect Celtic (Gaulish) *kladiwo-
> (not **kladio-). However, the Italoid (aka Sorothaptic) protoform
> *k(a)lawijo- proposed by Coromines could explain the Celtic word through
> metathesis and reinforcement of yod (like in East Germanic): *klawijo- >
> *klajiwo- > *kladiwo-.
> > That leaves out the question you're interested in: when does exactlySabine (and Oscan) have only WORD-MEDIAL voicing of this type, not WORD-INITIAL.
> the k- in Celtic
> > kladios becomes the g- in the Latin Celticism gladius.
> >
> A direct Celtic borrowing (from e.g. Gaulish) can be excluded because
> we'd expect **cladivus instead of gladius. Thus we need some
> intermediate language where *kl- > gl- and *-w- > 0. From DGK's
> research, this would be Sabine.
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66658
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Nostratic-L/message/8365
> > One riddle wrapped in another, as Churchill would say.
> >
> Surely he knew about Matryoshka dolls. :-)
>