From: dgkilday57
Message: 69854
Date: 2012-06-22
>I forgot the plural, which is perhaps a different sort of Freudian slip.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
> >
> > Not within Italy or Gaul proper. I think we should regard Asturia and
> surroundings as the Celtic Urheimat,
> > where we actually find OEH river-names in Celtic form.
> >
> > > Definitely an interesting idea. It fits into the Gaelic myth of Mil
> Espainne. And if you saw P-Celtic as a
> > > branch that moved "backwards" into Gaul etc. But Celtic still would
> have originally come from farther east.
> >
> > Paleo-Celtic would indeed have come from farther east, and back-washes
> of population are nothing new. I am looking for the area where
> Proto-Celtic acquired its distinctive features, which to me is the
> Urheimat. I meant to say "Asturias" and vicinity, essentially NW
> Iberia, as the Celtic homeland in this working hypothesis.
> >
> Actually, it looks like you had a Freudian slip, in what the /u/ of
> Austria shifted its place and became Asturia.
> > The place-name Berganza (Prov. Lugo, Prov. A'lava), with the steepEverything, since Krahe recognized Bergunda, Berganza, and *Brigantia as having OEH structure. I disagree with him in not regarding *Brigantia as the Celtic outcome of zero-grade *bHr.g^H-, since the other two require full grade. Unlike certain scholars, I do not consider ablaut-grades to be arbitrarily interchangeable, replaced as easily as a woman changes her jewelry. If Old Western IE (late 3rd mill. BCE) had *bHerg^H-n.t-ih2, there is no reason to think it would have had *bHr.g^H-n.t-ih2 with the SAME root, although parallel zero-grade formations occurred with OTHER roots (*dreu- and in my opinion *wreigH-). Bergunda and other Norwegian OEH names with sound-shifts in place show that Germanic is descended from OWIE, and if ablaut-grades were as fickle as certain scholars think, the striking regularity of strong verbs in Gothic and the other old Gmc. lgs. would be inconceivable. The Gmc. strong classes would show a chaotic hodgepodge of random ablaut.
> coastal region Bergantin~os (Prov. La Corun~a), corresponds to the
> Norwegian river-name Bergunda, continuing *bHe'rg^H-n.t-ih2 'protecting,
> elevated, difficult' vel sim. River- and place-names of the form
> *Brigantia (Bregenz, Brienz, Brent, Braint) in my opinion are based on
> the root *wreigH- 'to turn, twist, wriggle' (cf. Gallo-Latin <brigantes>
> 'parasitic worms', Marc. Burd.), not *bHerg^H-.
> >
> What has this to do with OEH?