Re: Ligurian

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

> >
> >[...]
> >
> >> DGK:
> >> What is the stem of Bart (Piem., prov. Novara)? Both d'Arbois (Les prem.
> >> inh. de l'Europe, 1894, 2:92) and Bottiglioni (Elem. prel. della top.
> >> corsa,
> >> 1929, 62) considered it connected with Bartasca (Cors., near Calvi),
> >> providing evidence for a Ligurian stratum in Corsica.
> >>
> > Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
> > Bartasca, river of Calvi and its valley, seems to imply a derivational
> > stem *barto- or *barta- rather than *barti-, but of course that would
> > be a minor difference (a matter of word-formation); Bart can in turn
> > reflect *barto- (and indeed *barti-, albeit one would rather expect
> > barc' ['barʧ] as most regular outcome), but not *barta-, which would
> > remain unaltered.
> >
> I still can't find Bart. I have both books, but they don't give any
> precise location and the old Province Novara (nowadays comprising both
> Novara and Verbania - Cusio - Ossola) was quite large in d'Arbois'
> times.
> Surely is Bart neither a Comune (= German Gemeinde) neither a
> Frazione (a relatively big village of lower grade).
> I don't want to give up, but the task is difficult

DGK:
Another Bart is mentioned in the index to Hammond's France Road Atlas, just east of the Swiss/French border in western Switzerland. (I cannot find the place on the map itself inside the square referenced by the index.) It is hard to believe the old Province Novara was this large. I hope this is not merely an error on d'Arbois's part which Dottin and Bottiglioni failed to catch. The latter was fairly fussy about the Corsican place-names with which he dealt in his monograph.