Re: Ir. cas(s) and IE models (was: Ligurian)

2012/5/13, Tavi <oalexandre@...>:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

>> I've detected PIE through toponymy and it's the direct ancestor of
>> Celtic in situ.

>> Tavi:
> Sorry, but this is contradicted by actual evidence. Celtic has shared
> isoglosses with Eastern IE languages, namely Greek and Indo-Iranian. See
> Karl Horst Schmidtt for more details.

Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
I know it. It's the sum of three factors:
1) isoglosses without migrations
2) Celtic presence in Central Europe
3) Retention of PIE heritage

> Tavi:
> Also Old European Hydronymy (OEH)
> isn't Celtic at all.

Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
Retention of PIE */p/ is no innovation (and moreover it's
extremely scanty and marginal in Celtic areas); /a/ < /o/ is only
based on the (by definition unwarranted) assumption it's short (in
Romance areas there's no way to decide on vowel length, unless Latin
poets provide evidence), and moreover even short /a/ is in all other
instances regularly explainable as Celtic outcome (it couldn't be
other than /a/, even in Celtic), e.g. in /al/ /ar/ /am/ /an/ sequences
before /y/ /w/ /n/ /l/ /r/ or antevocalic laryngeal.
Krahe himself thought in fact that OEH has been a stage of local
IE languages. After him, IEsts have practically come back to
'Illyrian' under the label 'OEH'

> Tavi:
>> > If you really want to gather evidence of older IE stages, I'd
> recommend
>> > you study other language families which were in contact with IE or
>> > genetically related to it, namely Altaic, Kartvelian, Afrasian
> (Semitic)
>> > and Tyrrhenian (Etruscan). I myself learnt a great deal from Bomhard
> (as
>> > well as other Nostraticists), in despite I disagree with his model.

>> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>> That's what I'm doing since 1989 (when I started to study
> Macrocomparativism)

>> Tavi:
> But it doesn't appear to have any impact on your theory.
>

Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
It has a very great one. The difference between Nostratic and PIE
becomes more and more vanishing. Almost everything you analyze as loan
I view as common heritage