Re: Ligurian

Sorry, my fault (false friend: I have taken it from DIL, but with
German Mädchen in mind, so I've been deceived by ingen 'Mädchen' =
maiden in backtranslation).
But nevertheless: bairt 'girl' : Gothic barn 'child' (I was about
to write 'kind'!...), once attested (+ bairte), we're linguists, not
lawyers ("testis unus testis nullus"), so why doubtful? The Auraicept
na n-éces are after all a trustworthy source. Whence otherwise
Continental Celtic *Bartia:kon > Barzâgh / Barzago (Lecch / Lecco
[Lombardy])?

2012/5/2, Anders <ollga_loudec@...>:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> 2012/5/1, Anders <ollga_loudec@...>:
>> >
>> > Do we have corroborating evidence for this chronology, i.e. *o: > *a:
>> > before
>> > Osthoff's Law in Celtic? Intuitively, I'd suspect *o:RC > *oRC in
>> > Celtic,
>> > but I'm not aware of any examples at the moment.
>>
>> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>>
>> OIr. alt -o-, n. 'joint, articulation, state' : Gk. péplos,
>> laryngealless (does it exist?) 3. √*pel- (Pokorny 802-803, Mallory -
>> Adams 1997: 63); Matasović's *pol-to- (121) implies a loan from
>> Germanic, but *po:l-to-m would be regular
>
> Sure, this is a possible etymology. The meaning of *pel- seems to be 'to
> fold', from which 'joint, articulation' is a plausible development. But the
> etymology is hardly inevitable.
>
>>
>> OIr. bairt -i-, f. 'maiden' : Gothic barn 'child', √*bher-; the only
>> alternative to appertinentive Vrddhi *bho:r-ti-s would from seá¹­
>> variant *bherH- with zero-grade and, pace Jens, derivative -h2 (from
>> feminine) *bhrH-th2-i-s (> Celtic *barti-s like *bardo-s <
>> *gwrH-dhh1-o-s with 'Schrijver's Law')
>
> According to DIL, bairt is only attested once, glossed _ingen_ 'girl' in the
> Auraicept na n-éces. Hence its existence is more than a little doubtful.
>
> This is not to say that *o: > *a: may not precede *V:RC > *VRC, only that
> the above material doesn't settle the matter.
>
> Anders
>
>