A personal list of cognate? Lislakh (Afrasian+Kartvelian+Indo-Europe

From: piervantrink
Message: 69311
Date: 2012-04-12

Hi, thank you for this enligtening group where we learn a lot
First I have a question:
1/Do you agree with me that
pie "*egho" (I) is connected with the Proto Semitic "*an-aku" and that pie *neh2 (no) is connected with Semitic "nhy"=saying no (in Arabic na'a, naha, nafa all are meaning "to say no") as well as pie *new (new) with Semitic "nawh3" (h3 being a laryngeal)

2/This is the list (sadly I could not provide Kartvelian reflexes) that I compelled mainly from Dolgopolsky's dictionnary as well as Coon, Bomhard and Blazek works
Contrary to Greenberg I think that Altaic,Amerindian and Uralic are not organically Nostratic and the similairites they show with Indo-European are due to very early Indo-European substratum (pre Tocharian and pre Scythian) because the morphology of Altaic and Uralic languages is not inflective ablautic with dual and feminine genders as well as laryngeals, glottals and triradical roots like in Kartvelian-Afrasian-Indo-hittite (or more accurately? irano-nessic since iranic is more diverse than indic and hittites called their language nessili)
Also there is the fact that Altaic+Amerindian+Siberouralian populations genetically diverged very early from the middleastern+european and genetically Africans are closer to Europeans and middleasteners than Europeans and Middleasterners are to Asiatics and Amerindians (Haitians too speak a language close to French but that was a result of pidginisation-creolisation and originally they were not indo-european speaking!)


1/pie hant/ps hint=grain(arabe hinta)
2/pie ak/ps ak=to lead
3/pie preh/ps perh=to tear
4/pie aryan/ps ari=peuple
5/pie koper/ps kupar=cuivre
6/pie agno/ps igl[n nasal n<=>l]=veau(ne vous fiez pas d'agneau=mouton en français;il suffit de jeter un coup d'oeil sur le livre de Pokorny pour voir la grande flexibilite des glissements semantiques et changement phonetiques,par exemple poisson et peche[remarquez qu'il est evident a oeil nu que poisson et peche sont de la meme racine mais il ya des cas de glissement semantiques et changements phonetiques treees etranges et hyper flexibles])
7/pie geop/ps qop=singe
8/pie kern/ps gurn=moulin
9/pie medhu/ps madhy=miel
10/pie kal/ps kal=parler,dire
11/pie tap/ps tap=sacrifice
12/pie nauh/ps ne=bateau,navire
13/pie keri/ps sery=acheter,kery=louer(le changement phonetique s=>k est dit centumisation est celui de k=>s satemization et ce detail sert a diviser les langues indo-europeenes en un groupe satem et un groupe centum[lire kentoum]mais souvent les deux formes coexistent,comme c'est le cas en Semitique mais il faut noter que les langues afro-asiatiques sont plutot centum,voire le fait que le suffixe de la 2 eme personne est "s/t"[tu,grafeis]en indo-europeen et est "k/t"[anta,kitabuka]en afro-asiatique)
14/pie meh/ps meh=mois,moment
15/pie leh/ps leh=faible
16/pie leih/ps lah=affame
17/pie lah/ps lahh=mucus
18/pie leu/ps lahn=son,chant
19/pie leik/ps layh=tache
20/pie od/ps hod=1
21/pie ago/ps ag=pousser
22/pie anah/ps anah=ame,esprit
23/proto grec geo/ps qa=terre
24/proto grec aer/ps ri=vent
25/proto grec aner/ps ans=homme
26/proto grec ta/ps ta=s'ecouler
27/pie stan/ps sath=pays
28/pie stag/ps tag=etang
29/pie aw/ps haw=souffle
30/pie aur/ps or=lumiere
31/pie aya/ps hay=vivant
32/pie haym=sang/ps haym=vie[glissement semantique]
33/pie dhab/ps dhab=fondre,se liquefier
34/pie do/ps da=donner
35/pie hes/ps es=etre
36/pie krab/ps akrab=scorpion
37/pie spekh/ps sabh=parler,prier
38/pie hal/ps hal=salutation
39/pie saul/ps sal=sain
40/pie hop/ps khof=sauter
41/pie fleg/ps falaq=briser
42/pie bhah/ps baha=lumiere
43/pie ghbeh/ps galab=apporter
44/pie bherg/ps (san)awbar=pin
45/pie akru/ps qatr=goutte
46/pie bor=arbre/ps bur=champs[glissement semantique]
47/pie rew/ps rah=s'ecouler
48/pie nebh/ps sahab=nuage[metathesis]
49/pie ors=dos/ps sor=ventre[metathesis+glissement semantique]
50/pie deigh/ps dag=piquer
51/pie bhok/ps bah=allumer
52/pie pleu/ps hapl=plein
53/pie kweh/ps kawa=cuire,bruler
54/pie streu/ps sadraw=to scatter
55/pie beuh/ps bay=to appear
56/pie pneu/ps napah=to blow[metathesis]
57/pie sue(self)/ps tsu(self)
58/pie hend(to blossom)/ps and(to blossom)
59/pie gwam(to come)/ps kam(rise,come)
60/pie weyd(to know)/ps wayd(to know)
61/pie wes(to dress)/ps bes(to dress)[dont look weirdly at this cognate since we have the so distant Armenian reflex zgenum and Greek hennumi]
62/pie per(fly)/ps par(fly)
63/pie per(fruit)/ps pemr(fruit)
64/pie ker(heat,fire)/ps kalw(heat,fire,roast)
65/pie dher(shade)/ps dhill(shade)
66/pie kost(bone)ps qust(bone)
67/pie bherg(shine)/ps baraq(shine)
68/pie ous(ear)/ps uz(ear)
69/pie dher(seed)/ps dher(seed)
70/pie hbal(harm)/ps khabal(harm)
71/pie ma(damp)/ps may(water)[semantic shift]
72/pie mert(death)/ps mawt(death)
73/pie al(beyond)/ps aly(beyond)
74/pie agro(field)/ps hakl(field)
75/pie erd(earth)/ps ard(earth)
76/pie mori(sea)/ps mahr,bahr(sea)[mahar=shell and b<=>m sound change is very common amongst even dialects of the same language]
77/pie ker(circle)/ps gel(circle)
78/pie rota(wheel)/ps rada(wheel)
79/pie ghrebh(to scrape)/ps grf(to scrape)
80/pie dhigw(to dig)/ps daq(to dig)
81/pie teherg(to turn)/ps dar(to turn)
82/pie kes(to cut)/ps kas(to cut)
83/pie hed(edge)/ps had(edge)
84/pie del(long)/ps tal(long)
85/pie kerp(to harvest)/ps khrf(to harvest)
86/pie kal(all)/ps kul(all)
87/pie krei(to repeat)/ps kar(to repeat)
88/pie ker(horn)/ps karn(horn)
89/pie leub(love)/ps lub(heart)[semantic shift]
90/pie bhel(flame)/ps lahab(flame)[metathesis]
91/pie med(to stretch)/ps mad(to stretch)
92/pie ne(no)/ps naha(no)
93/pie ner(light)/ps nur(light)
94/pie nas(to come down)/ps naz(to come down)
95/pie seuh(to sew)/ps sah(to sew)
96/pie sekw(to drive)/ps sak(to drive)
97/pie seu(son)/ps sanw(son)
98/pie psideh(vagina)/ps bizr(vagina)
99/pie dnghles(tongue)/ps lis(tongue)
100/pie hdonts(tooth)/ps sin(tooth)
101/pie hreus(throat)/ps halq(throat)
102/pie mog(brain)/ps mukh(brain)
103/pie budmn(bottom)/ps batn(stomach)[semantic shift]
104/pie welp/ps tshelp=wolf
Les racines ci dessous doivent encore etre peaufiner ulterieurement
fur/fawr=to boil,to bake
dalf/*dwer(door)
gady/*gido(goat)
adas/*hedes(lentil)
dukhan/*dhuman(smoke)
taq/*tag(to touch)
tawam(twin)/*dwoh(two)
far/*pher(to flee)
shitta/*sekwe(six)
sabat/*septm(seven)
sard/*serd(cold,ice)
kalab/*kwo(dog)
wadjn/*genu(cheek)
zan/*gne(to know)
hulw/*kal(handsome)
qafa/*caput(head)
wazz/*hanz(goose)
djamus/*gwou(cow)
quwa/*hew(force)
yeden/*oino(one)
fas/*egsih(axe)
naw/*nauh(boat)
wayn/vino(wine)
fadan/*pent(road)
bur/*puhr(wheat)
ghwar/*kwer(war)
bukhar/*bher(to boil)
thle/*treyes(three)
fard/*per(first)
adda/*deh(to give)
kham/*keim(to settle)
qar/*kel(cold)
qarn/*ker(horn)
karm(grape)/*kermus(cherry)
salab/*klep(to steal)
dhura/*srhno(corn)
ghara/*koro(war)
asal/*koslo(hazel)
djalid/*gel(cold)
qart(city)/*grad(hail)
burdj/*pyrgos(fort)
qal/*ghel(to call)
adjal/*keklo(wheel)
qaras/*gruh(to b***)
har/*gwher(warm)
basm/*smeil(to laugh)
thawr/*tawros(bull)
seleg/*sneig(snow)
ghurab/*korweh(crow)
digg/*dgu(fish)
asfur/*sper(sparrow)
satah/*steh(to stand)
sawt/*swonos(sound)
ghana/*gen(to sing)
aswad/*sword(black)
sams/*sohwl(sun)
matar/*mheg(moisture)
hisan/*hekwos(horse)
afa/*hepero(serpent)
halib(milk)/*helb(white)[semantic shift]
hanash/*hengwi(snake)
ishtar/*haster(star)
hagira/*hegrn(day)
mur/*hmer(bitter)
lagha/*lewg(to tell lie)
mut/*mert(to die)
laq/*leigh(to lick)
zal/*sleu(to slide)
pie *swonos/ps صوت sawt=sound
pie *swey/ps صفير safir=whistle
pie *barbar/ps البلبل balbala=to speak unintelligibly
pie *srebʰ/ps sarab=to gulp
pie *ǵeme/to marry/ps gama=to fornicate[semantic shift]
pie *ǵʰwen/ps ghann=to sound
pie *dra/ps djara=to run
pie *dus/ps dasa=to fall
pie *tagr/ps kata=tear[by metathesis]
pie *dei=day/ps diya=daylight[semantic shift]
pie *pekw/ps tabak=to cook[indo-iranian pukht]
pie dab/ps bad=fat[by metathesis]
pie katt=battle/ps katl=kill[semantic shift]
pie kehd/ps hikd=hate[by metathesis]
pie kerh/ps hark=to mix[by metathesis]
pie geus/ps zak=to taste[by metathesis]
pie ghers/ps kars=rigid
pie gheimn=winter/ps ghaym=cloud,rain[semantic shift]
pie kapro/ps gafr=goat
pie ked/ps kadd=to fume
pie ker/ps karn=cornus
pie kel/ps lask=glue[metathesis+deletion]
pie kerp/ps kharf=to pluck
pie koro/ps ghar=war
pie gwihb/ps gahba=woman
pie krei/ps sara=to buy
pie gwehd/ps ghat=to sink
pie gen/ps kinna=woman
pie teg/ps gat=to cover[metathesis]
pie saws=to dry/ps sawa=to grill,to dry
pie sekw/ps sek=to follow
pie sneud/ps nada=mist
pie speu/ps basak=to spit[metathesis]
pie swel/ps kawa=to burn
pie bhergo/ps sanawbar=birch
pie bhendh/ps bany=to bind
pie wino/ps wayn=grape
pie melg=to milk/ps malag=to suck milk[semantic shift]
pie dehn/ps dukhn=grain
pie hen/ps 'an=in
pie pleh/ps hafal=to fill[metathesis]
pie skai/ps sagh=to shine
pie neyk/ps naka=to winnow
pie knu/ps nu=lump,nut
pie nebhos/ps suhb=cloud[metathesis]
pie manu=person/ps man=who[semantical shift]
pie meso/ps sahm=flesh[metathesis]
pie medhu/ps midh,(na)bidh=mead
pie mat/ps mat(rak)=mattock
pie lewg=to break/ps lawa=to curve[semantical shift]
pie lewk/ps lak=bright,light
pie lewgh=to lie/lagha=to speak[semantical shift]
pie leykw/ps halak=to leave
pie hel/ps 'al=to grow,rise up
pie dhreu/ps dhar=to drop
pie drem/ps radam=to sleep[metathesis]
pie werh/ps hawar=to speak[metathesis]
pie weh/ps hawi=to blow[metathesis]
pie wobes/ps zab=wasp[metatesis]
pie yehr=year,season/ps wayr=month[semantic shift]
pie (yeh)kwr/ps kebed,kewed=liver
pie helno/ps nisr=adler[Lat. alnus, Lith. alksnis, Ltv. elksnis, Russ. ольха (ol'xa), XMK aliza, ON alr, Gm. elira/Erle, Eng. alor/alder, OPruss. aliskande, Gaul. alisa, Hitt. alanzan, Pol. olcha, Alb. halë, Gk. Olixōn]
pie h2okw/ps ayn[Toch. ak/ek, Arm. ակն (akn), աչք (ačʿkʿ), Skr. अक्षि (akṣi), Gk. ὄσσε (osse); ὀφθαλμός (ophthalmos), Eng. ēge/eye, Gm. ouga/Auge, Goth. augo, Alb. sy, Lith. akis, Ltv. acs, Kamviri âčẽ, Ir. enech/oineach, Welsh enep]
pie h2erkwo/ps kaws=bow[Goth. arƕazna, Eng. arwe/arrow, Gk. ἄρκευθος (arkeuthos)?, Russ. ракита (rakita), Polish rakieta, Ltv. ērkšķis, ON ǫrvar, Umb. arçlataf]
pie h2eyes/ps nahas=metal[Skr. अयस् (ayas), Lat. aes, Umbrian ahesnes, Gm. ēr/Erz, Eng. ār/ore, Av. ayaṅh, Goth. aiz, ON eir, Pers. āhan]
pie hosd/ps gosn=branch[Arm. ոստ (ost), Gk. ὄζος (ózos), Eng. ōst/, Gm. ast/Ast, Goth. asts, Hitt. ḫašduēr]
pie h2ewig/ps 3adas=~oats[Lat. avēna, Lith. aviža, Ltv. auza, Russ. овёс (ovjos), Polish owies, Gk. αἰγίλωψ (aigilōps)/, Old Prussian wyse, OCS ovĭsŭ]
pie h2edes/ps 3adas=~cereal
pie h2elyo/ps akher=other
pie h2en/ps gin=spirit
pie h2ep/ps haff=to reach
pie h2erh1/ps harats=to plow
pie h1eib=to copulate/ps hub=to love[semantical shift]
pie solwo/ps kul=whole
pie sneyg/ps tsalg=snow
pie smeru/ps sahm=grease
pie serpe/ps salal=to creep[Alb. gjarpër/gjarpën, Gk. ἕρπω (herpō), Lat. serpō, Skr. सृप् (sṛp), Kashmiri so.rūph]
pie senh1o/ps saykh=old[Lat. senex, Lith. senas, Ltv. sens, Gaul. Senognatus, ON sina, Skr. सन (sana), Av. hana, Arm. հին (hin), Gk. ἕνος (henos), Welsh hyn, Goth. sineigs, Ir. sen]
pie sem=summer/ps sams=sun[semantical shift]
pie smgheslo=thousand/ps=katir=much[semantical shift,Skr. सहस्रम् (sahasram), Av. hazarəm, Pers. /hāzar, Gk. χίλιοι (khilioi), Lat. mīlle, Toch. wälts/yaltse]
pie gwelb=womb/ps kalb=heart[semantical shift]
pie ghouro=fear/ps ghul=monster[semantical shift]
pie gal=to call out/ps kal[semantical shift]
pie gher/ps ghar,har=bowels[Lat. hernia, Skr. हिर (híra), Gk. χορδή (khordē), ON gǫrn, Gm. garn/Garn, Eng. gearn/yarn, Arm. ձառ (jaṙ), Lith. žarna, Ltv. zarna, Hitt. karat, Alb. zorrë]
pie tón-r̥/ps raad=thunder[metathesis]
pie ter/ps ratad=to tremble[metathesis]
pie ter/ps thar=to cross over
pie bʰlēyǵ/ps baraka=to shine
pie bherg/ps burg=fort
pie puhr/ps burr=wheat
pie psten/ps sadr=breast
pie prek/ps raga=to pray,to ask
pie pusl/ps farr=to fled
pie pet=to open arms/ps pata=to open[semantical shift]
pie pert/ps farat=to flat
pie pent/ps padan=road
pie az/ps az=she-goat
pie bal/ps bal=lord
pie mak/ps maq=son
pie fers,srebro/ps parzil=argent,fer
pie dun/ps dun=fort,chateau
pie dr/ps duru=duration
pie steer/ps dir=main
pie oper/ps up=offer
pie kabal=cheval/ps kamal=chameau
pie quel/ps gal=printemps
pie kran/ps girn=crane
pie karp/ps kharp=automne
pie haus/ps hawsh=house
pie lew/ps labw=lion
pie lath/ps lawh=shield
pie meno/ps mana=to count
pie pei/ps pu=bouche
pie perd/ps perd=horse
pie per/ps par=first,one
pie her/ps karh=blessure
pie gart/ps qart=ville
pie hat/ps qat=hate
pie khrot/ps qatran
pie ekwos/ps sisu=cheval
pie su/ps sy=pig
pie sil/ps dil=colonne
pie dik/ps tik=he-goat
pie wak/ps waka=to preserve
pie ward/ps warada=to come
pie tiber/ps zabh=sacrifice
pie al/ps ahr=autre
pie ago/ps ako=je,I,ez,az,ik,ich,uk,ammuk....
pie sawls/ps sams=sun
pie sawls/ps sana=year
pie kwan/ps kal(b)=dog
pie pa/ps ba=pere
pie ma/ps ma=mere
pie (d)ukht/ps akht=fille,soeur
pie frat=brother/ps fard=family member[semantic shift]
pie t/ps t=tu,thou,shoma

water*mor (sea), R. more, G. Meer, Br. mor, L. mare; R. myt', mokryi, mocha mā' mayimmûrainmáṭarmṭermâṭâr,

cold*kaltas: G. kalt, R. xolod, Gr. krios,
Lith. saltas, Pers. sard qarkaṣû

night*naktislayllelyalaylâ

fireLith ugnis, Skr agni, L. ignis, R. ogon' 'éšišātu

bellyE. belly, G. Bauch, R. brucho, Alb. bark, Ir. bolg, Synghalese badabaṭn beṭen

rootLith. shaknis, Pruss. sagnis, R. cheren-okjiðr šóreššuršu


barkR. kora, L. cortex, Arm. ketev, Ir. coirt, Alb. kujaqišr q'lippâ

seedR. zerno, L. granum, G. Kern, Arm. serm, Ir. siol zeraGzēru

roadAlb. dhrom, Gr. dromos, Pol. drogaṭarīq derex

smokeR. dym, Lith. dumai, Alb. tymi, L. fumo,Pers. dud, Synghalese dumaduxān

red*raudos, Lith. raudinas, L. ruber, Br. ruz, Goth. rautr, Skr. rakta ruššû
dun/dun (town)
wadr/wadi (water,river)
gher/agharr (grey)
tal/tala (to tell)
ghard/qart (city)
wang/ganah (wing) [by metathesis]
dun/dun (town)
wadr/wadi (water,river)
gher/agharr (grey)
tal/tala (to tell)
ghard/qart (city)
wang/ganah (wing) [by metathesis]


indo-european/semitic
sha=ram/shu=swine(semantic shift)
washq=lynx/spak=wolf(semantic shift)
dabz/deps=deep
hisan/ehus=horse
zibd/zbet=butter
nek=to fornicate/nakt=night(semantic shift)
watr=female sexual liquid/watar=water(semantic shift)
hut/iht=fish
hawa/hwei=air
zifda/zaba=frog
shakh/sekh=to urinate
pel/lep=elephant(metathesis)
batn/budhn=bottom
madhy=male sexual liquid/medhyu=honey(semantic shift)
raqd/legh=to sleep
naw/new=new
dig/dhigu=fish
der/dwer=door
baqar/pekr=buck
gawush/cou=cow
sath/stah=stand