Re: badgers

From: Torsten
Message: 68930
Date: 2012-03-12

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@>
> wrote:
> >
> > For those of you tired of arguing over the same old thing, here's
> > something new to argue about: badgers.
> > My 2 cents: Isn't there a Gaelic term taigh (vek sim.) for
> > "badger" that also comes from *tek'-?
> > French, of course, has blaireau and Spanish has tejón --which I'm
> > sure one of our friends will shortly link both to Vasco-Tasmanian
> > or whatever.

I am sure you mean Tacso-Vasmanian.

> Rick, I don't know the reasons why you're so militant against the
> Vasco-Caucasian hypothesis (and yet you're a subscriber of my own
> list), but certainly Spanish tejón and other similar Romance words
> come from Late Latin taxo: (accusative taxo:nem), itself a Celtic
> loanword, probably Gaulish. Although unknown to Ruhlen & Bengtson,
> Basque azkoin 'badger' is also a Celtic loanword *taskone.
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> >
> > I think Joshua Katz's badger article (1998, "Hittite tas^ku- and
> > the Indo-European Word for 'Badger'", _Historische
> > Sprachforschung_ 111, 61-82, based on his UCLA conference paper)
> > is still the last word on the subject. At any rate, Katz's
> > analysis militates against the traditionally postulated connection
> > between PGmc. *þaxsu- etc. and *tetk^- 'build'. Not the builder of
> > setts, but rather the owner of smelly glands.
> >
> These two hypothesis are quoted by Delamarre in his "Dictionnaire
> étymologique de la langue gauloise". Of course, the traditional one
> is a mere "lookalike" and thus rejectable. I think Katz's proposal
> is very interesting, although it actually points to a different
> animal, the skunk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk> or polecat.
> But as in the case of other carnivores such as 'weasel', 'marten',
> etc., this kind of semantic shifts are rather common.

I think your proposal is much more interesting than Katz's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Skunk_genera_ranges.png
It opens whole new vistas for the study of the history of the IE languages.



Torsten