Re: Reconstruction of plosives [was: Germanic 'bear']

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 68747
Date: 2012-03-04

Erratum: give
Corrige: give up

2012/3/4, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>:
> 2012/3/3, Tavi <oalexandre@...>:
>> Contrarily to the traditional model, I don't think there were "voiced
>> aspirated" in PIE. From macro-comparative evidence, PIE series III
>> should be PLAIN VOICED. Similar considerations can be applied to Grimm's
>> Law, and so on. IMHO the stop system of Germanic actually reflects an
>> older stage than the one found in most IE languages, much in the line of
>> the glottalic theory.
>> Given the Altaic cognates, this root must be very ancient, as well as
>> the reduction of the initial labiovelar, which must predate the P-Altaic
>> form.
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> Like Villar and Ballester, don't You?
> There are two antithetic methods in reconstructions:
> 1) majority
> 2) markedness
> You evidently backproject what is majoritarian; the Neogrammarians
> implicitly backprojected marked features.
> In order to be coherent, You have to give glottalization and
> reconstruct just three series: voiceless, voiced, and voiceless
> aspirate.
> In order to be coherent, I reconstruct four series: voiceless
> aspirates (= traditional plain voiceless), preglottalized voiced (=
> traditional plain voiced), breathy voiced = murmured aspirates (=
> traditional voiced aspirates), glottalized voiceless (= traditionale
> voiceless aspirates). Plain voiced and voiceless were former stages of
> laryngeals