Re: Hercynian (again)

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 68699
Date: 2012-03-02

They would, if ME craschen is from PGmc *kra[k]skanan and crack from -
as evident - *krakkanan

2012/3/2, Brian M. Scott <bm.brian@...>:
> At 5:14:56 AM on Thursday, March 1, 2012,
> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/1, Brian M. Scott <bm.brian@...>:
>
>>> At 5:34:14 PM on Wednesday, February 29, 2012,
>>> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy wrote:
>
>>>> Yet it's quite curious that we find crash 'to fall with
>>>> a noise' apparently with the very *-sk- inchoative
>>>> suffix suffix and the root of crack 'to resound', Dutch
>>>> kraken, but Old High German krahhon with expected -hh-,
>>>> Armenian krkač̣ 'to make noise' again with /k/ =
>>>> Germanic /k/ and Lithuanian girgiždė́ti 'to creak', Old
>>>> Indic gárjati 'roars'. It really looks like a PIE
>>>> *grog'-sk'oh2
>
>>> It really looks like a Middle English echoic formation,
>>> parallel to <clash> and sharing a sound-symbolic final
>>> element with <dash>, <smash>, <splash>, etc.
>
>> If crash is of Middle English origin, how do You explain
>> the corresponding words in other languages?
>
> Outside of Continental Scandinavian, where they also seem to
> be late and look like parallel echoic formations, I see no
> corresponding words in other languages. In particular, I do
> not think that <crash> and <crack> are related by any
> regular derivational process.
>
> Brian
>
>